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Bless your heart doc. What a show.
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IMO itās just some idiot trolling the forum pretending to be a lawyer suing this site.
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RonfromalbuquerqueLLB?
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almost all of that is true!
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Is this really a useful line of posting? Do you just need to get under CNs skin? Itās these little slapfight posts, from various different parties and for no legitimet reason I can discern, that seem to be dragging at least a segment of this site down.
I still donāt understand this recent blowup or why Jman is leaving, but above one poster [forechecker] left a long message and admitted to a lot of intentional trolling and said he was leaving. After reading that, I had assumed that most of the problem was solved.
If there are legitimate problems can they be articulated in a clear and coherent way, such they could be made subject of a vote? As far as anyone threatening to sue, Iām not worried about that. People have the right to delete their own posts. Thatās the remedy they have available if they want old posts deleted.
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lets not pretend ikes is posting like a Buddhist monk here. As yuv said, heās only human.
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BTW, to the extent some postersā conduct can be regarded as trolling in a manner intentionally designed to damage UP, we should probably have a rule forbidding that. If someone is accused of doing so in a serious way, we should probably be able to vote for a permaban, with 60% vote required, 48 hrs notice, and no votes from nonunique accounts that havenāt been registered for at least 90 days.
I do not normally read this thread and, having now done so, do not find it informative or entertaining. I would like to go back to where I feel I can safely ignore āAbout Moderationā, hopefully because itās not important, but that takes some level of good faith from forum members and mods. Letās all take a chill pill.
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That sounds reasonable. Iām not aware of this sort of trolling damage though, even from the recently permabanned forechecker. There was no damages or harm, the crack team of Forum Cops confirmed this by letting forecheckerās dumb gimmick registration continue unabated so they could get up to 22 accounts they could spread on the table for their victorious cop picture.
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youāre going to get a few different answers to this. some of the big ones that come to mind from the past couple of days:
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Some are going to say that the problem is an admin who accessed PMs that they were not party to and failed to notify anyone of the āviolationā (I put this in quotes bc the discord software specifically allows for admins to be able to do this)
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Others are going to say the problems are mods who routinely overstep their authority. Case in point being the notice to the community of the above incident without a (perceived) honest attempt to get to the bottom of it before putting the whole thing on blast. There are other examples, such as rules being implemented unilaterally (and unevenly?) by mods when theyāre brought on board.
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And yet others will argue that there is too much coddling of the ātrollsā (like those creating multiple gimmicks) and not enough bans. Conversely, others say the issue is that there is moderation at all.
This is not meant to be exhaustive and Iām sure others will share other perspectives. The devil is in the details. And not sure how any of this is solved with votes
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My personal impression was that forechecker was doing more trolling than substantive posting. Based on his own post, he seemed to let it get out of hand, likely pursuing vendettas, which are rarely good for a site (as this thread demonstrates). That said, gimmick accounts have important uses and can be good content and should be encouraged/tolerated, as long as they donāt spam or vote on substantive issues.
Iām not saying that he wasnāt trolling or that he shouldnāt have been banned. Iām saying the forum cops knew this was happening in real time and let it happen so they could inflate their arrest numbers. If there was real, substantial harm being done they would have acted right away, right?
Was there any harm at all from Forecheckers gimmicks?
Yeah the forum cops waited to see what the point was, then another one of your buddies jumped in with it too! All a coincident though Iām sure that no one at nmnm knew
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There could have been. Ergo eieio
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My only concern would be how you really ensure the voting is fair, i.e. if a dedicated troll creates 30+ accounts with unique addresses and sits on them for 90 days how do you stop them from fucking with a vote. Maybe thereās a tech solution. I donāt like the idea of taking votes away from people who are legitimately lurking.
Ok? Simp and I were talking about trolling resulting in actual harm. What are the damages here?