About Moderation (old original thread)

[MrWookie]

@marty

It’s a non prejudicial word

Also, lol

[MrWookie]

@zarapochka

That is certainly not true. I find a term deplorable very offensive. I cringe every time people use towards their family or anyone basically normal. I don’t know how people can do it with such nonchalance. I indicated at the beginning that it leaves me every time with my mouth open how it is used here and in the state that I don’t know how to react. People DGAF.

I don’t complain. I think it is OK that people DGAF about what I feel about one or other word. But I have to agree very much about the sentiment from several directions: same play rules for everyone.

That said I come from the environment, where a lot like a LOT of stuff that is considered to be offensive here is perfectly normal. n-word, a lot of words for LGBT and so on. I try to adjust and not use them here.

Quoted for emphasis.

[Jalfrezi]

Words aren’t inherently anything and their meaning and connotations often vary from one place in the world to another.

[d2_e4]

Sounds pretty bitchy to me.

(And, yes, I used my one an hour time for that.)

[MimosaDef]

Hmm, I don’t have anything to add, but for some reason I feel like I want to get my one-hour clock started.

[StrontiumDog]

[All-InFlynn]

@MaxCut

certain words are inherently sexist

Stop thinking of meaning as an essential quality words possess and start thinking of it as a goal people use words to achieve. Good things will start to happen, I promise.

Are we proposing a ban on the word?

[beetlejuice]

i have a huge announcement which i’ll be making in this topic very shortly

[Churchill]

@All-InFlynn

Are we proposing a ban on the word?

The forum will auto-replace **** with the ‘word’ Motherfucker as the chicks just lining up to join the forum seconds after the ban is announced will be fine with Motherfucker, apparently. If your apartment happens to overlook a swimming pool with scantily clad ‘people’ in bikinis it’s fine to blog it though

[Jalfrezi]

The whole problem is us having to ask the self-appointed Wookie which words we can and can’t use, when we, the forum , should be instructing him and his fellow mods what words they can fucking use and what actions they can fucking take.

[d2_e4]

What about “throbbing member dripping with viscous man juice”? Is that allowed?

@marty

Fuck is something all genders do

I mean, crime is something all races do, but if I were to say “I’m not racist - racism is a crime, and crime is for black people”, I’d probably get flagged, even though that’s quite an obvious joke.

[NotBruceZ]

It’s generally accepted that the mods ought to police the site for language that is racist, sexist, or otherwise crosses a line. The question is whether your particular word crosses that line.

You can, of course, post a poll to get a sense of the forum and show whether it is more than a few whingers who share your point of view.

[anon38180840]

First of all I’d like to point out that I’ve been minding my own business the last couple weeks, I assume jman has because I haven’t noticed anything. Then churchill takes a totally random shot at me in one of the high traffic threads (yesterday? two days ago?), then marty decides to use the watevs ban to re-re-re-litigate the prior stuff with jman because he’s still so upset about his ban, then jalfrezi decides to hurl a personal attack at jman, who was completely uninvolved in any of this.

So once again it’s the same clique (and I’m now including marty in the clique) stirring shit up out of nowhere.

Jalfrezi, churchill, fidgetUK and marty are incapable of putting the old stuff to rest and shutting the hell up about it. They can’t make it more than a few weeks without launching in again. They re-start it every time.

@microbet

What jalfrezi said is probably literally true (not certain because it’s possible jman only prosecuted some subset of cases) and I certainly don’t think suggesting that accepting money to join an incredibly racist endeavor is racist would require moderation.

We don’t know what cases jman prosecuted or how he handled suggested sentences. The claim was that jman specifically pushed for severe sentences for black people. That’s one hell of an unsubstantiated character attack. I’d be pretty shocked if jman pushed for worse sentences for people of color. The claim is not that he worked in a system that does that.

And of course there are a number of good prosectors/DAs trying to change the system, although not a ton. Maybe jman was requesting remand instead of cash bail at a high frequency, or suggesting a lenient sentence at a high frequency. We do not know, thus the attack on jman is unsubstantiated.

@Jalfrezi

the US criminal justice system is inherently racist when it suits them

It is.

@Jalfrezi

but calling someone prosecuting criminal cases on its behalf a racist is CALL THE MODS NOW!

You didn’t say he was racist for doing the job or that he did a certain job that is racist. You said he pushed for severe sentences for black people. He pushed, not the system pushed, he pushed. That’s a bullshit allegation without evidence.

You’d need to prove either that:

A) He pushed for worse sentences for black people.

B) He prosecuted cases where the system is set up for worse sentences for black people AND did nothing to try to mitigate that.

Do you have evidence of either or are you just making stuff up again?

@d2_e4

Taking a hard-line stance that anyone who uses ■■■■■■ (in casual conversation, not as an insult directed at females) is some sort of incorrigible raging misogynist just paints your interlocutors into a corner and makes them unwilling to compromise

Nobody has said this. The word is misogynistic in American and Canadian vernacular, perhaps in other English speaking countries too or among ESL folks in other countries - I’m not sure. Regardless about 400M English speakers at a minimum consider the word extremely misogynistic.

None of us have any problem if the Brits, Irish, Aussies, etc use it in PMs or at a pub or whatever over there, and we wouldn’t call any of them misogynists for it. It’s different in their vernacular. But to use it on an international forum is offensive to a lot of people here, thus they are being assholes about it, not misogynists.

@Churchill

If your apartment happens to overlook a swimming pool with scantily clad ‘people’ in bikinis it’s fine to blog it though

Yay more out of context character attacks and lies/mischaracterizations from me jman oops nope it’s churchill yet again. IT’S TOTALLY BOTH SIDES DOING THE CHARACTER ATTACKS EVERYONE NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!

[d2_e4]

@anon38180840

Nobody has said this. The word is misogynistic in American and Canadian vernacular, perhaps in other English speaking countries too or among ESL folks in other countries - I’m not sure. Regardless about 400M English speakers at a minimum consider the word extremely misogynistic.

None of us have any problem if the Brits, Irish, Aussies, etc use it in PMs or at a pub or whatever over there, and we wouldn’t call any of them misogynists for it. It’s different in their vernacular. But to use it on an international forum is offensive to a lot of people here, thus they are being assholes about it, not misogynists.

Not disputing any of the above, I was just pointing out to Wookie that taking the stance that people who take a different view need to “respect women more” is probably not conducive to his ultimate goal.

[nobody]

@anon38180840

B) He prosecuted cases where the system is set up for worse sentences for black people AND did nothing to try to mitigate that.

There is not much to mitigate with mandatory sentencing. When you prosecute crack and coke at a hundred to one in sentencing you are a part of a racist system.

Now i dont know if he did but if he did im just following orders does not get you out of the racist systems consequences.

[anon38180840]

@zarapochka

That is certainly not true. I find a term deplorable very offensive. I cringe every time people use towards their family or anyone basically normal. I don’t know how people can do it with such nonchalance. I indicated at the beginning that it leaves me every time with my mouth open how it is used here and in the state that I don’t know how to react. People DGAF.

So you have an issue with calling people who support separating families and caging children, who support racism, who support sexism, who support authoritarianism, and who refuse to try to keep others safe/healthy, “shockingly bad in quality and/or deserving of condemnation” or are there cultures in which the word deplorable is contextually deeply offensive?

And if those offenses aren’t enough to strongly condemn someone, what about the ones who want to kill peaceful protesters or exterminate liberals? Still not shockingly bad in quality or worthy of strong condemnation?

[econophile]

In addition to limiting the number of posts per hour, you may want to consider limiting the number of characters per post what with brevity being the soul of wit and all that

[Jalfrezi]

@MaxCut

The word is slang for female privates and used derogatively.

Well, it is and it isn’t, which was the point of my post that you say you don’t GAF about lol.

As the comedian Jerry Sadowitz observed, ■■■■ isn’t a part of the body, it’s a swear word, and no woman has ever said “Doctor, I have a pain in the ■■■■■■

This is all much more nuanced than you seem to be interested in understanding.

[d2_e4]

@MaxCut

gramer

You can do better.

Especially if you’re going to participate in a debate about use of language.

[RiskyFlush]

Let’s forget any argument over whether the word is objectively offensive. You’re right, that’s a complicated topic.

More than a few posters on the forum find the word inappropriate. Several find it deeply offensive. Regardless of your personal feelings about the word and where it objectively falls on the scale of offense, are you willing to acknowledge it affects the people you care about in ways you do not desire?

Because I do not imagine you are an unkind person. And I DO imagine that you care about the people among us who make up Unstuck Politics.

Please join me in showing kindness to the posters the word offends. It costs me very little to remove it from my lexicon. But even if it did, it costs me less than it does the people who it harms.

Because “those people” includes everyone in this community, I extend the same courtesy to you. If something really bothers you that much, just say so. You do not need to justify your offense. Most of the time, it’s a simple kindness not to argue and instead to just show a little consideration for someone who may not be an extension of ourselves.