neither do I. but it has little to do with how well anyone is performing in that job.
Why is that so important to you? To me, it seems like framing it this way makes some kind of assumption that wookie wants to be mod for life. Who in their right mind would want to mod this mess forever?
I just donât think itâs a real concern. Mod rotation is popular, Iâm for it if we can find the bodies. I see it fraught with potential issues but Iâm willing to give it a try.
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I see it as a solution to the endless griping about moderation. People may still complain about modding, but theyâll be complaining about different people over time. Itâs less likely to curdle into long-term bitterness and grudge-holding. Plus itâs harder to complain about modding when half the people youâre complaining to have been mods or will be soon. Probably harder to complain if youâve been a mod, too.
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Well it is not workable for people to keep making contradictory polls that are worded in their favor then each side claiming opposing mandates.
It is also hard to get community consensus without polling.
Which is exactly why Wookie called for the invested parties to hammer the exact language of the polling amongst themselves before going to the wider community? Which seems perfectly fine? Certainly in good faith even if one believes there is an even better way.
The most controversial thing Wookie suggested was having at least one current mod signing off on a proposal. I can see the pluses and minuses of that, but donât see it as an offensive suggestion. The straw poll currently has 53% supporting zero mods needing to sign off and think we should just drop the idea of mod sign off since the rest of the proposal seems plainly fair.
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You need some way ahead of time to get the mods and admin to agree the results of a poll will be binding. The gatekeeper idea seemed like one way to do that, but maybe there are other ways to make sure everyone thinks itâs legitimate and fair.
Any poll is probably going to need to be up for a week or so so everyone can vote on it. Probably best not to have keed choose the wording
Heh, I actually added that to the wrong paragraph. Iâve rearranged it for clarity.
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That is why I personally would favor it. It simplifies things, and I donât think itâs the case that every mod here is unreasonable and would refuse to sign off on any remotely reasonable poll.
But this forum has a strong anti-authoritarian bend which is overall a good thing so 
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If youâre just going to keep insisting that everyone behave exactly as you want them to is the only reasonable solution without any regard for community input, not to mention deliberately misconstruing what my actual proposal is, I canât say I feel like paying much attention to your contributions on the subject. Youâve stated your opinion. It doesnât seem to be that popular. Asking why everyone doesnât just do it your way over and over doesnât seem to be gaining any ground.
Iâm not insisting? I gave my opinion. I know you donât gaf what I think and certainly arenât going to do what I think you should do.
I was thinking about counteroffering to the âzeroâ voters that someone(s) (mod, admin, or some new creation, parliamentarian?) should sign off that the process was followed in good faith, whether or not they personally agree with the rule, as opposed to needing one or more mods to actually want the rule. This may represent something mutually acceptable to the âzeroesâ and the âmajorities.â
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I donât understand what that rule is supposed to achieve or guard against, really.
No one in their right mind would want to do this though right? It has to be someone very impartial, honest, patient, and with a super thick skin.
Iâm not sure this person exists here. Sorry everyone, not meant as an insult, but everyone here seems deeply personally invested in this.
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A bunch of pointless polls that no one regards as legitimate.
I donât believe you will accept an informal system. Goofy already voluntarily stepped down exactly as you suggest and people complained about the mods putting someone who they correctly believed had overwhelming community support up next (PocketChads) for a vote next because of process complaints.
Did I complain about that?
Isnât every step in the process required for legitimacy public, though? Like, Iâm not sure what there would be to argue about.
It wasnât irrelevant that George Washington didnât run for a third term.
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Right, and it established a nonbinding custom that lasted 140 years.
Not sure what you mean. Clovis posted a poll earlier, but that accomplished zilch since there was no expectation on either side that the results would be binding.
I havenât had time to look at it but I hope wookie and beetlejuice and everyone involved in the papal conclave and gatekeeping efforts succeed and post some rules that Iâll happily follow even if I donât 100% agree with them.