Well, I suggest you start one, because it fucking was, and I have evidence of that.
Among people to disagree with and even fight and even call names and even post quite unreasonably sometimes, Clovis is like top-top. If you canāt manage to discuss something with him and maybe get him to come around to seeing things how you see them, then youāre really looking for a bubble. Seriously, he has changed his mind about things because people have convinced him online. He may fall back sometimes, but still, heās something of a unicorn.
Also, heās the only poster here who could do an AMA about being a dungeon master and it would be worth looking at.
I have had zero experiences with him that werenāt just knee-jerk insults or worse; see the post I quoted. If you think that kind of posting is good, I wonder what kind of forum you want to have here.
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I might be able to get in as #11 on that list, too.
Seems like itās one with people like you and with people like me, and people like clovis. All-inclusive.
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That was my point, Iād rather much rather be in a non-starvation gulag than any solitary confinement prison.
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You guys are funny.
The only people who got fed without having to fend for themselves were the ones being used for slave labour to mine heavy metals or dig canals, which eventually killed them from exposure of one type or another.
Do you wordsmiths even understand the sort of cruel, inhumane shit that people have done to one another in history? Using the word ātortureā to describe all of it only serves to diminish its impact on those who have actually suffered it. Iām no fan of psychological ātortureā, but please, find a different word for it. That one is already taken, and it creates a false equivalence.
Words mean things.
Iām not saying the gulag was good, actually. Iām saying Iād rather live in a forced labor camp with social contact with my fellow prisoners than solitary confinement for years on end.
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Whatās your goal when you make a post like this? The pleasure of getting someone to admit they were wrong? Are you willing to let go of such a goal for the sake of letting people clarify or revise their argument? Dunking on them for your confusion over their point, even if thatās in part because of how they chose to express themselves, strikes me as malicious, no matter the claimed neutrality of your intent.
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No neutral intent there. The guy is fucking lying, and Iāve called him out on it (not the lying, but the topic) several times already on 2+2. This is a subject that is close to my heart. I know heāll never admit heās wrong, and claim that the CIA forged documents or whatever flavour of conspiracy shit heās selling today, but Iām going to call that out.
Not necessarily disagreeing, but have you tried either, before making this judgement call?
Iām limiting it to federal prison because that was your thesis, genius. If youāre going to compare things, you should probably understand what youāre comparing.
You have no fucking idea what youāre talking about. If you stopped pretending to know what you are talking about and asked questions instead of making statements and pushing conspiracy theories, that could make for productive discourse. As it is, you are an extremist, pushing propaganda, no better than a Trumper in my eyes.
No, and Iām happy to defer to anyone with actual relevant life experience. But from what Iāve read the effects of prolonged, complete isolation are absolutely devastating.
I read somewhere that the short-term effects of a gunshot to the head arenāt particularly salubrious either, but whoās counting, eh?
Youāre right, and I apologise. I did a search for āfederalā under your SN and I canāt find anything relevant. Doesnāt detract from my main point, but I guess itās a bit of a shot to my credibility.
Youāre right though, your comparison was between all prisons and the gulags, not just federal prisons. Now that weāve cleared that up, you can address the main point.
Maybe if someone is a mod both here and on 2p2 they can move all these posts over there where the argument started.
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WTF are they seriously having an argument in āAbout Moderationā about posts from 2+2?
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This has the makings of a French BBV prizefight for the ages
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If only there were a mod around who had the power to excise accidental derails to a new thread, instead of posting sarky remarks. If onlyā¦
Ok, then. You win this debate on account of my ālyingā whether it was just federal prisons you compared to the gulags, or all prisons, and then admitting the mistake lie. Well argued.
Never mind, goofy, looks like we wonāt be needing that new thread after all.
A forum where the moderators defend the behavior of people who constantly reflexively insult others and make attacks and smears on their character is one that will soon be comprised of only those people.
Even if Microbet is right: Why would I want to waste my time arguing with someone who is constantly reflexively insulting or making character smears of people, someone who always behaves like heās infallible, because someone else says maybe sometimes he will actually change his mind? Whatās in it for me to put up with being treated like that?
There are plenty of people I can go talk to politics about without being insulted repeatedly, even people who donāt see the world the way I do. Thatās not ābeing in a bubbleā; thatās called ārefusing to give my time and attention to people who canāt treat me with a minimum baseline of respect.ā Any forum that doesnāt have a baseline of respect established among members is never going to be a community. I donāt owe it to anyone here to put up with Clovisā or anyone elseās crap, and if the mods defend that crap, well, then I know what kind of forum this is.
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You ever been to a social gathering? Or a bar maybe? You just talk to the people you want to talk to, and donāt talk to the people you donāt want to talk to. Internet works pretty similar.
I find it very hard to imagine that any conduct in this forum is beyond, say, what would get someone kicked out of a pub in real life.
You are a lucky person, if thatās true.
You are like the guy who cuts in and makes abrasive comments from a side group though usually from what Iāve seen. I donāt care if you stay or leave but donāt act like you are normally conversing.
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