Yeah. You think Victor should not have been able to make that original post? Seriously?
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Victor has been shit-posting on this forum for a very long time. People are rightly annoyed (to use a euphemism) that he continues to do that. When others call him on a shitty post, considering his completely terrible posting history, this is community modding in action. If this type of community modding serves to improve his posting, so much the better. If instead it somehow results in his departure from this forum, that would be an outcome entirely of his own making.
We donât want or need mods to step in to every situation. It can quickly become hair-splitting and/or side-taking and those are often counter-productive (witness recent events).
Victor is another one that gets tone policed to death instead of engaged with. Could be because the neoliberalism that he attacks is indefensible on itâs merits but thatâs just speculation on my part!!1!1
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I donât think anyone is saying we donât want community modding in action.
That doesnât mean all forms of community modding are acceptable.
That the kind of callout in question falls under âcommunity modding in actionâ doesnât mean itâs by default acceptable. IMO, we are really wasting a lot of valuable time if we donât talk separately about WHAT we do vs HOW we go about it, but these conversations often devolve into people speaking as though theyâre the same thing.
Personally, I want community modding in action to integrate kindness as an essential component.
Victor deserves kindness. Everyone here does, even when theyâre acting like a shitbag themselves.
Note that I did not say everyone deserves CIVILITY.
But a chance to grow?
If we take Victor at his word, he has committed to this. Letâs give him a little room to explore what that looks like. We can assert boundaries (including banning him if needed) without having to be unkind ourselves in return. Iâd hope youâd all do the same for me.
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Yes and here I think I should quote the argument against banning personal attacks, which is also the argument against making personal attacks, as well as the argument against the behaviour youâre describing:
Nice argument. I might post more if it gets adopted.
Which might give wookie more impetus to start his âban d2 for neutral intention postingâ poll, so that would be fun.
Well, Iâm sorry that my âpassive aggressiveâ quip started a mini-shitstorm. I didnât really mean to be aggressive in any real sense; I honestly just thought complaining about AOCâs tone in that spot was kind of ridiculous. (I mean, sheâs doing politics: of course sheâs gonna do her best to grab some credit here â and by the way, this goes to my earlier point that much of the cause of (some of) the feuding here is that some folks simply canât stand politics and may of us are here â at least in part â because we are interested in following politics. The shit we take is that we are somehow corrupt by association, or have no skin in the game, or are morally inferior, etc).
But I had no idea Victar is on some kind of reformed poster kick and that we should be extra careful not to provoke him. Thatâs cool with me, and Iâll stop, but I donât think we should expect everyone to just know that. I mean, itâs not like I donât get provoked as well (Case in point: I made an apparently poorly-worded post about how âfinding your passionâ is often trite advice and I got accused of not knowing any poor people? lol)
Anyway, I wonât engage Victar in that manner any further. Again, sorry for starting more forum shit. I like it here!
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Itâs so funny how long Iâve had Clovis on ignore but every time his name comes up itâs because someone else is complaining about him being a smug, condescending, self-righteous asshole.
He mustâve made a big noise about Biden saying he wouldnât reform immigration right away, right? Since Iâm sure that post of his isnât just projection.
I wonder how many people Clovis is personally responsible for causing to disengage with the politics here. At least for me, having five years of that bullshit yelled at me by libs has given me zero tolerance for opening up new avenues for it.
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I mean that is Victor being Victor. I know where it is coming from. I have a good idea where he is going to come down on a variety of issues.
Sometimes Victor gets me to rethink my position on something and sometimes I am just lol Victor.
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I had to wait to post again, but thereâs a real point I left out I want to make about Clovisâ post that Watevs quoted:
I honestly think posts like that are much worse and way more toxic than a simple âfuck you.â
Me, personally, I donât care if people like me or get pissed off at me. Iâm old enough that itâs happened enough and I know not everybody is going to like me. Most people wonât, even. Tell me âfuck you,â well, I know youâre one of those people, câest la vie.
That is very different than what Clovis is doing here, which is essentially character assassination. Heâs calling people liars with no principles for, as far as I can tell, no reason other than to feel good about himself and his choice to be a Democrats Uber Alles liberal. (If you can think of a better reason, let me know, but given all his posts Iâve seen and the way people talk about his posts I donât see, I canât think of one.)
THAT is toxic shit this forum shouldnât put up with.
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Lol. Victor thinks federal prisons are worse than gulags. Hard to take him seriously after he picked that hill to die on.
Part of the problem with political discourse online-- here and everywhere-- is that liberals argue like if they posture that something is self-obviously true, then it must be.
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The world isnât divided into people who are always right about everything and always wrong about everything.
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Bad time for the â10 types of people in this worldâ joke?
Supermax federal prisons are probably worse than many gulags, depending on if the gulag was starving all its prisoners to death at the time. Wouldnât want to be in a gulag during the first few years of Germany invading Russia.
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Yes. ask yourself if that joke punches up or punches down and determine appropriateness thusly.
Lol. You guys are cute.
There is one supermax, in Colorado, and it houses like 200 inmates. The rest are all USPs (max) and down. Pretty sure there are more min security camps than anything else.
Not to mention the fact that federal facilities are much, much, nicer than State. I mean, if you started comparing San Quentin to gulag, might be something Iâd at least entertain (although youâre still off by at least an order of magnitude). Having the conversation with people who have no idea what the fuck they are comparing to what and pushing propaganda is just a massive waste of time entertaining NVG-worthy analogies, though.
Thanks, boss. Pretty sure that with my current standing on this board, every joke punches up.
When I was a kid, in the United States, people generally considered any kind of extended solitary confinement to be torture.
Eta: but yeah, I know most federal prisoners are not in solitary. My wife taught yoga in a federal penitentiary.
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Right time for a âpurity testâ joke?
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Sure, you can use the word âtortureâ for a lot of things. I, myself, did a little year-long stint in a county joint in the US and I was in solitary for about a month total, non-contiguously. Longest contiguous stretch was probably about 7 days. I mean, itâs hardly pleasant, but Iâd rather that than getting smeared in honey and impaled on a bamboo shoot while the rodents and vermin eat me alive, also in solitude. There are levels, you know what I mean?
Always.