Do I think it’s going to happen? No, I’m a realist.
Regardless, I was attempting to chip in on JT’s point and the lack of contradiction. I really do like everybody and wish peace could occur.
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Yeah, that last bit is the part that didn’t work so well in Chernobyl, IIRC.
I mean I have liked posts you have made. I also don’t see you or jbro or anyone here as an enemy. The thing is though that my just mostly stopping engaging here didn’t really change the dynamic. That’s the thing, it requires some level of self control by everyone to stop doing this shit. I still occasionally fail at that, especially after a drink or two. But if literally everyone just stopped with this shit it would stop.
I agree with Dodger that I wish we could have a great reset. I also agree we can’t moderate our way out of the current situation. Either people are going to proactively decide to quit acting in the ways that are causing it or they aren’t.
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Not to be captain obvious but The Former Place was much more “functional” because RWNJs would occasionally wander in to get dunked on by people who aren’t getting their dunking quotas met here.
So really, we should advertise on 4chan.
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Good post. It’s actually possible that banning Inso0 is really what did this place in! I think he was the last one standing.
If this is what you want, then I think the correct moderation scheme is one which aggressively prunes the main threads to move derails and fights into other threads.
Although I leaned against it at the time, in retrospect I think it would have been a good idea to have gone forward with this proposal and see where it led.
My concern was, and remains, that an environment without enforcement or consequences would just lead to more bad behavior rather than less. But who knows.
If I remember correctly, the proposal was forwarded by someone not behind the effort.
That’s what sabotaged it.
(I could have this wrong.)
Was it? My recollection was the captains screamed and yelled about this for months without ever putting it up for a vote, then someone submitted an RFC to appease them and the captains demanded it be taken down.
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That’s one way to frame it.
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I don’t remember a vote, but my memory is faulty.
That looks like that was a straw poll to flesh out what the change would look like. Didn’t read the whole thread, but it seems the idea was abandoned in favor of continued bickering because no one was actually interested enough to spell out how this subforum would work.
It’s fine, even a best practice, to have a straw poll in the OP, and more later, so everyone can assess community sentiment. Later, there can be a final vote about what if anything goes up to the broader community for a final vote based on what is synthesized here.
I am politely correcting an error that I think goofy made regarding the approval of the proposed subforum.
Deal?
Sure.
I don’t believe we can ever have a community where everyone respects each other. Whatever moderation scheme we have needs to be able to deal with valued posters who dislike and disrespect each other and sometimes act improperly because of that.
My idea for moderation is that we establish clear rules on what tools a moderator is allowed to use, we come up with a clear moderation philosophy that doesn’t get nitpicky on rules, and we select mods whose job is to use their own judgment to use those tools to make the forum conform to that philosophy as much as possible. If they are bad in their judgment, then they don’t get to be a mod again. If they are really bad, they get removed before their term is over.
I’ve tried to talk more about the general philosophy, but I think most posters are results-oriented in what they want moderation to accomplish.
As for what that philosophy should be, I am against the idea that mods are supposed to create a curated reading experience where bad posting is restricted but I also don’t believe in creating a safe space for bad posters where they get to post unchallenged. I’m more about creating a good process and be willing to live with the results if that process leads to a bunch of crap.
Defund the mods
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Defend the mods!*
*Just the ones who leave me alone.
Have no clue where to put this, but I respectfully request my demodding
Thank you very much for your service.
If your stepping down has anything to do with the Keed kerfuffle, please reconsider.
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Wookie put in a request to de-mod keed based on tick-tacky (imo) rules violations, the community downvoted the idea. I’m not sure why this needs to be litigated any further.
If anybody is pointing to the premature/nascent RFC to demod Keed to throw shade on Wookie or bolster Keed, they are being ridiculous.
I think JT is making a different (yet related) point about rules and rule-following (by mods and others).