Or we could just rent out an arena in Vegas every summer, get a wrestling ring and a steel cage and everyone with more than like 25 posts in About Unstuck in the last year who wasn’t a mod has to go into the cage. Whoever gets tossed from the cage is perma-banned. Gambling is encouraged, but UP takes a vig and all proceeds go to charity.
i made a post laughing at a post without adding content so i deleted it, although it was a genuine response. I will add that proper cite or ban etiquette is that in case of a successful cite, person B is banned. This isn’t a freeroll sir.
I literally did nothing wrong in that argument. I will absolutely die on this hill.
I got called a plastic fan for being an Arsenal fan not from the UK. I got called not a real fan because I said the owners of Arsenal (who have spent over $1 billion on players in the last ~5 seasons) don’t spend enough money and that’s why Arsenal lose. I was then told I’m dumb and should listen to arseblog (the most popular Arsenal podcast) because they have this opinion. They do not, I subscribe to them and have done so for roughly 6 years. I then told them that, and said I have listened to every episode and they did not say that. I then said if listening to arseblog is an essential part of being a “real Arsenal fan” they should subscribe to them and pay the $5 a month instead of being the same leech they are on this forum, trolling more than providing valuable posts.
I can screenshot every post verbatim and we can go over it. If you truly believe I said anything worthy of infraction I will absolutely die on that hill.
You can tell it was bullshit you fell for by the same way you saw absolutely bullshit arguments today. How crypto is morally wrong but sportsbetting is not. I got accused by jal of “poor shaming” him by telling him to subscribe to a podcast he listens to, that costs $5 a month but makes you a “fake fan” if you don’t listen to it!
Like, tell me which exact post should have been sanctioned and why. Please, let me know what deserved a “lengthy ban” when I have yet to receive even a warning for posting here up to now.
Could anyone here imagine someone going into the NFL or NBA thread and telling posters they aren’t real fans of a team if they weren’t born geographically close enough or don’t listen to a specific podcast? It would be insane and called out, but Yuv apparently agrees.
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I’ve said this before about moderation…this forum inherited a terrible culture from Pol. We had no mod for a long time in STTF and it was a very busy forum for a while and we could even post about politics people were all across the political spectrum. There was one poster I ever recall being a problem and he never got banned. (Suzzer might remember his name ‘eury’ something). It’s not just that it’s politics, it’s the dunking culture and “cite or ban” is exactly in-line with that culture. Our excuse here was supposed to be that we would be overwhelmed by Nazis, but that didn’t happen.
And that reminds me why I came in here at all today…it was suggested that the people from the captains thread, the other forum, whoever, were the troublemakers from 2p2. Those people were people like toothsayer, bundy, kelhus…etc…
Those people. Who among the captains were the troublemakers from 2p2? It’s pretty insulting to be mixed in with the group who you were fighting with on 2p2.
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I mean, banning for a failed cite is fine too. I’d suggest sort of an NFL challenge system, you get two cite or bans and if you lose both challenges you eat a temp.
probably a 1 month ban for poor shaming. I also expect you to self ban for two weeks now under the new “cite or ban” rule by cuse. As I mentioned, you do not ask for cites and get a freeroll.
The usage of leech and ‘if you need a loan’, not a single person on this community is dumb enough to believe your choice of word is random here. And i think very little of some people.
It’s fine though. I am not in charge, thankfully to everyone involved.
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I think you may have misunderstood goofy’s sentence structure, but I could be wrong and I doubt you’d agree with him either way. I think what he’s saying is…
2p2 Pol was shut down because Mat and Mason refused to let the moderators ban the troublemakers, so those people (those = 2p2 pol - community and moderators, not the troublemakers specifically) came here, where they started a new forum where the new site owners don’t allow the community elected moderators to ban the troublemakers.
How is that poor shaming? He chooses not to support the club nor podcast financially, while claiming I have to do so to be a “real fan.” I have no idea if jalfrezi has a net worth of a dollar or a million. I do not care about his personal financial situation. truly. At all. I do not care how much money he has.
He has said he used to attend games, and chooses not to do so anymore. He did not say that was because of his financial situation, but because he does not like the direction of the team.
You’re so far off base here dude. Is it poor form trolling? Perhaps, but I have zero inkling about his person financial situations. I have seen zero posts ever about such!
Sorry, but if you can’t be a real fan without attending in person games, and are a “plastic fan” if you don’t, you get to be called something for not doing so yourself! Remember the hypocrisy argument from like two hours ago?
Your defense here is that you are poor shaming him as a response to him poor shaming you. That’s a sort of defense, but it conflicts with your ‘im not poor shaming’ start.
Take a loan and leech when discussing monetary issues are disgusting. I flagged those posts then and still think this today, so my view has stayed consistent. You brought it up, so it’s not like i’m the one digging this issue up.
Like many here, I have a hard time sometimes accepting when people genuinely think something and when they are trolling. I can’t possible imagine someone discussing not paying a certain amount of money, call the person “a leech” and then claim it has nothing to do with money. My brain can’t imagine that you are posting in good faith.
But i realize that what I can imagine isn’t necessarily the reality.
Yeah, I think you’re right.
eta: As far as whether I agree…I guess not. The main person who complained the most to Mat didn’t even post in Pol or barely.
Yeah, as I mentioned above, I see that now. I’ve just made like 100 posts here for nothing.
I feel like this thread has been insane today.
So team no ban ever started another forum. Fine. But you have be accepted to join that forum? If you truly believe no ban is the way to go post a link to your new forum and accept everyone.
Otherwise you are just pro preban but anti ban after you join, which makes no sense to me. I mean hell that exile thread linked earlier had fucking Luckbox post in it before he got banned.
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I dont think he’s poor. I dont think he poor shamed me. He said I can’t be a fan of x team because I wasn’t born in x place and go to games. I said he doesn’t do what he preaches. Was the loan line crass? I’ll accept that, sure. I do not think, know or care about his personal financial situation though. It was meant to call him a hypocrite. I have never seen jal make a single post alluding to his financial situation. If he has posted anywhere about being in tough times, I am genuinely sorry and then such was out of line.
The only real posts along those lines I’ve ever seen in this forum were from canadamatt in the crypto thread.
You seemingly don’t want to believe me when I say I truly never cared about his finances. You don’t have to be, but it was an off the cuff insult about how he finds no way to support the team he claims to do so while putting very high barriers to entry for “outsiders” to support them.
You seem to be taking poor shaming in a more literal way than I do.
I don’t think you think he’s poor. I think you tried to insult him by suggesting he is poor.
That is poor shaming. The mere idea that being poor is an attack, even though you assume he isn’t or don’t care if he is or not.
The use of “leech” and “take a loan interest rate are low” are insults based on the idea that being poor is something to be ashamed of. Otherwise they wouldn’t make any sense in the context you wrote.
What do we do if you get there and you want to ban Sabo? What if we invite 30 people who want to ban Sabo? Now we have to be a dictatorship and say the majority can’t get what they want?
You’re a good person to ask, because if you haven’t been invited (and I don’t think you have and I do think it’s been discussed) the only reason I can think of is that you voted to perma-ban Sabo (and Fidget).
Again, I’ll take the loan line being crass and dumb. But it’s cheap to go to one game a year or listen to the podcast paywalled versions he brought up. I did not originally suggest supporting a team was because of financial resources, he did.
The point was never to suggest he was poor. It was to suggest he barely, if at all supported the team and made barely any effort to do so, while gatekeeping support of that team. I was mad at the gatekeeping while somewhat jealous he has access to a literal life dream of mine but chooses not to do so because he dislikes the modern game. It’s his choice, billionaires have sapped some prestige from the game I even agree.
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We sat grown quiet at the name of love;
We saw the last embers of daylight die,
And in the trembling blue-green of the sky
A moon, worn as if it had been a shell
Washed by time’s waters as they rose and fell
About the stars and broke in days and years.
I had a thought for no one’s but your ears:
That you were beautiful, and that I strove
To love you in the old high way of love;
That it had all seemed happy, and yet we’d grown
As weary-hearted as that hollow moon.
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There are posters who feared that the usual suspects mentioned as ban on sight candidates in the recently linked thread would come over here and turn this into another version of Unchained. I don’t feel there was ever a satisfactory explanation of how to defend against that without mods and bans.
Was it an illegitimate fear of something unlikely to happen or is it something that was blocked by strong moderation that discouraged those posters from showing up or surviving long enough to gain the critical mass to be a self-sustaining faction?
I had hopes that this place could become bigger, but I would not try to recruit anyone to this place until clear rules were established for how to resolve conflicts where consensus is unattainable.
Well if rule 1 of forum is no bans
Then laugh at me for asking someone to be banned
and yes I voted Sabo to be banned on this forum and stand by it
i was just there for these posts. Do you guys have/had history? sure. Were you upset? i suppose. Was Jal an asshole? I dunno, but it has happened before.
Your two posts were disgusting choice of words and I would say I would die on that hill, but i don’t think I’d have to. I’d win that fight fairly easily. They are pretty self explanatory. I said lots of mean things that were worded poorly (sometimes by design sometimes not). I try to forget and/or learn from them, I do not bring them up myself.
I also won’t prolong my self-declare victory for much more but i am happy you started with
and already at:
So this is an improvement. Under the strict @anon38180840 cite or ban rules that is already an admission of ‘cite and ban’ lose and you would be subject to a ban. In such a case i’d be a gentleman and let you off the hook, but I can’t promise everyone else would. Use your cite or bans with more care.