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Grunching but is a big part of this some semantic confusion over âabolishâ?
âAbolishing The Policeâ is
- Consistent with the existence of some kind of state-run law enforcement body who can be summoned if crimes are being committed
- Not consistent with such a state-run law enforcement body; these are mutually exclusive ideas
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Am I wrong or are many in the âabolish the police because what we have now is awfulâ group also in the âIâm not voting for Biden just because Trump is awfulâ group? Seems ironic.
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Indeed
Seems pretty consistent to me.
People want to change the entire system
Or people want to pretend the system is fine with a few tweaks like shooting people in the leg. Youâre voting for someone that actually said that hahahaha.
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Donât take chemo.
Just shoot that cancer dead.
I think this is a great way to present the goals of an anti-police-violence movement:
The goals are specific, achievable, and every point is easy to present in a way that will seem immediately reasonable to most people. I would only like to add another point about demilitarization of police departments.
By contrast, âabolish the policeâ seems like a pretty bad slogan. Even on Unstuck many peopleâs first reaction will just be âhow does that work?â Itâs also a complete non-starter. âDefund the policeâ is a little better, in that at least it sounds less incredible. But itâs also still less concrete than the points in the image: it doesnât answer the question âwhy defund the police.â
The choice does matter. Finding ways to present issues concisely and persuasively is an enormously important part of social movement success.
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Another helpful thing would be to abolish nazi loving websites and those who moderate them.
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Donât want to upset the tankies around here too much, butâŚAbolish the State! (or at least do your best to subvert or ignore it)
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Thanks for the link. Iâll check it out. Alternatively, Iâd also love to borrow the presentation style from 8cantwait but apply it to some of the points in this thread:
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Crime
Each community has an autonomous police agency, which "controlled the community police and served as the first instance of jurisdiction over internal affairs.[41] Each community also has its own judicial council and, according to Grubacic and OâHearn, âhas the freedom to decide on the specifics of the punishment according to local context.â[42] Zapatistas say they almost never imprison criminals. Instead, they generally assign community service as a punishment. Neils Barmeyer has observed a prominent use of fines as punishment in Zapatista communities.[43]
According to Grubacic and OâHearn, there is an emphasis âon transformative rather than punitive justice. The parties involved can negotiate on compensation, and when the perpetrator has to take a loan from relatives to pay the fine, the participation of the family helps prevent further transgressions.â[44]
Gustavo Esteva argues that the Zapatista territories are âthe safest place in Mexico and perhaps one of the safest in the world.â[45] In the Zapatista communities, land is communally owned and no one goes hungry, so one could argue that there is little to be gained from theft. With a significant degree of control over their work, education, culture and communities, the Zapatistas experience a comparably low level of alienation. âThere are only two men in jail in the whole of the Zapatista area today,â says Esteva in a 2013 talk. âAnd these two guys are in jail because they committed the worst possible crime. They were cultivating marijuana. The problem in that case is not just the use of marijuana. The problem is they can give the government a pretext to attack the Zapatistas and to attack the communities.â.[46]
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The Weeds coming in hot with a defund the cops podcast.
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I appreciate your contrarianism, but na.
2017 Browns would wafflecrush the 1976 Steelers.
Defund the police and or demilitarize the police seem like solid goals.
âAbolishâ is 100% the wrong rhetoric to use for this sentiment. Because the large majority of people who would actually be receptive to substantially reforming the police will hear âabolish policeâ and think well no I definitely donât want there to not be the police. And theyâll think that because thatâs what those words actually mean.
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So the abolish the police people are going about this all wrong. Not in when or where you want this to end, there youâre dead right, but on how to get there no offense but youâre totally clueless.
Let me show you just one alternate (and much sneakier) route:
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End the war on drugs. This is much much more popular than talking about abolishing police. Itâs already almost dead, so just finish that up. Removing all the drug war related funding the police departments get will help, but so will a federal umbrella legalizing these substances. Put all regulation around product purity, accurate labeling, and heavy handed taxes whose revenues go to addiction treatment.
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Create a federal law enforcement agency with itâs own prosecutors whose only mission is to police the cops. Make it large and give it real teeth. There are a whole bunch of law enforcement outfits in the US who are almost entirely organized crime operations. These guys are very easy to attack publicly.
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Pass a federal law requiring municipalities to send fine revenue to a central agency to be redistributed on a per capita basis nationally. This absolutely includes seizures and âcourt costsâ.
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Make it illegal to store prisoners in private facilities. Every prison must be a government facility. Create regulations that makes hiring prison guards expensive. Make it financially impossible to maintain a huge prison population. Iâm thinking educational requirements AND a prisoner:jailer ratio that is like 8:1 or something. Make it illegal to keep anyone in custody above the ratio. This should get municipalities to prioritize the people who actually pose a threat to the community. If they try to screw with it by releasing dangerous people the counter move is to point out lots of more harmless prisoners they kept in when those dangerous people re offend.
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Finally do something about how we handle criminal records in this country. I donât think itâs possible to force businesses to hire people who went to prison for doing something specific to that business (probably not right to force a company to hire an accountant/bookkeeper who did time for fraud/embezzlement) so the business probably needs to specify what charges they are looking for and the rest are excluded. Until we can do that correctly criminal background checks should be disabled, which will undoubtedly result in a solution being created in like 3-4 months.
Those things are way harder to attack than âabolish policeâ⌠but they completely alter the way the system functions by changing the incentives.
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