Are you only aware of cops in the US and Mexico?
hereâs the thing, since you literally disagree with everything about it and thereâs 200+ other countries that better fit what you believeâwhy would you stay? The forum doesnât want to talk to people that disagree with them anymore but you also want to live with them? I just donât get it.
Itâs not a magatard commentâitâs one of legitimate confusion.
This is a scene from a movie that I saw in my would-be cineaste teens that didnât jump out at me at the time, but did when I re-watched it years later:
It struck me how far things had drifted from the point where you could have a scene in a film where a guy starts chanting in reference to a prison uprising and plausibly have the crowd pick it up. And I guess now it strikes me that the scene is wildly implausible, because heâd never live to start the chant lol.
Phase I of âAbolish the Policeâ has begun
https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1268635034124247045?s=21
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TNC unabashedly voting for JOE.
Seems optimistic that JOE will GET THINGS DONE.
This guy is alleging they are resigning because the cops arenât going after the protesters and looters hard enough.
You donât understand why somebody would fight to make their home a better place?
You do understand that other people have like friends and family they care about and stuff?
Jesus moyher fucking christ.
Itâs like theyâre self selecting in the best way possible!
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Conclusion of this article:
My honest answer is that I donât know what a world without police looks like.
Convincing as fuck.
looks like US mayors DO negotiate with terrorists and the terrorists always win
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About neurosurgery, yes. About a lot of other topics, hard disagree.
Weâre yet to get an answer to this incredibly basic question.
Mmm.
No they arenât. Thatâs not what âabolishâ means. The slogan is not âdisbandâ, âreplaceâ or ârebuildâ. âAbolish the death penaltyâ doesnât mean âletâs come up with a better way to execute peopleâ.
So not abolition, but replacement with a better law enforcement alternative. If you actually have a good alternative, you should be able to answer basic questions like âwhat happens if someone is the victim of a violent crimeâ.
Instead this is you right now:
âABOLISH HEALTHCARE!â
Err OK, but what happens if someone gets sick?
âWell I can tell you what DOESNâT happen! They donât get landed with a $10,000 hospital bill! There isnât racist healthcare like âcrack babiesâ being taken from black mothers!â
OK but map this out for me, letâs say I get cancer, how do I get treatment?
âDude LOL you are so arrogant thereâs been research!!! I donât have time to explain it to you! Read one of these 17 books!â
M4A proponents are not like that, there are specific answers to these questions which can be clearly explained. What you have with âabolish the policeâ is not a political position, itâs an empty slogan. Behind it lurks 100 different mutually exclusive positions. I am unable to present you with the drawbacks of your specific proposal because you refuse to get specific about what it is. You are able to enumerate the drawbacks of the current police force because itâs a thing that actually exists. This doesnât qualify as winning the argument.
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How is âwhat happens if someone is the victim of a violent crimeâ a stupid question? Itâs extremely straightforward and specific.
The police determine who committed the crime, arrest them, charge them, and they are prosecuted under a trial system.
Note that Iâm telling you what is SUPPOSED to happen, like specifically which people are empowered to do what, but under this slogan you have, you canât even do that. You refuse to even attempt to do so because you know that itâs going to sound ludicrous.
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OK, let me rephrase. Under âabolishing the policeâ, what is your PROPOSAL for how a violent crime against someone should be dealt with? My proposal is that we have a written law which specifies what crimes are and how they should be punished, and that there should be a state-run body tasked with apprehending people who violate these statutes and handing them to a court system for justice to be carried out. Whatâs yours?
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OK, the question âwhat would happenâ was a bullshit one because reality frequently doesnât match the proposal of how something ought to work. Conceded. With that out of the way, whatâs your proposal?
What Happens Now:
Well, if the victim of a violent crime is a person of color or an unattractive woman, there is likely a cursory investigation and if the crime isnât solved in the first 48 hours, the perp likely goes free.
If the victim is a white child, a Netflix special will be produced.
If the victim is an attractive young white lady, the investigation will dominate the news cycle for months.