Abolishing landlords -- it's well past time

Another great thing about this kind of approach is this: underneath all this crap about the “moral”, what we are really talking about is in the form of a negotiation between the landlord class -vs- renting folk and allies. As in any negotiation, leverage, sometimes called “tension”, is all important.

Here, I’ll let some random olden-times labor organizer explain this little bit…

… You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word “tension.”…

I thought the consensus of the socialists in this thread is that any eviction or threat of eviction is inherently violent?

If this is really his position then you are right I completely and totally misunderstood. I was reading his position as revolutionary and this is barely incremental.

My apologies.

P&S is explicitly not an experiment in community organizing. Quite obviously, right? It is my little fiefdom by design, constrained somewhat also by 2+2. I certainly wasn’t holding it up as a preferable alternative to Unstuck. As a reader I’d prefer Unstuck much of the time. I also never claimed to be elevating any discourse or anything of the sort.

In any case, I really wasn’t trying to take a jab at anyone here, or to suggest that 2+2 was better. I just want to reiterate that. Microbet used organizing Unstuck as an analogy to attempts at more anarchistic forms of social organization in “real life”, as it were. I think the comparison is interesting on its own terms, not because I want to criticize Unstuck.

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An eviction with the threat of violence is inherently violent - and that’s not to say that there’s not plenty of literal violence in actual evictions.

If you beat me in a lawsuit and get a judgement, that’s not inherently violent. Maybe in Ohio and Alabama the cops can take me to jail for losing, dunno, but where I am they can just take your money and credit.

If the result of an eviction might be that the Sheriffs come to your house with guns, it’s violent.

It is revolutionary.

Can you or someone else please show me where the “block” link is on this site so I can mute that hypocritical, racist-enabling scumbag?

You can also go to the users profile and in the upper right hand corner click the “normal” button and then select ignored.

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Haha, I never claimed to have succeeded :stuck_out_tongue:

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I couldn’t find all of the options on my phone. I finally went to my laptop and was able to block that POS.

Thank you. I was about 5 minutes away from going all JohnnyTruant on him.

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I don’t wish to derail this thread, but I tried to preclude this exact sort of derail when I posted asking whether I was allowed to post here

If you feel strongly about it, maybe you should bring it up in that thread?

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Why the fuck can I still see you?

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There’s no need for anyone to starve, just like there’s no reason for rental units to be unoccupied while some people don’t have a home.

I thought maybe WN would draw the line at not letting conpiritard imbeciles spread false information about a public health crisis, but no.

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Spoken like a middle class dude who cares about his credit, but it got a smile out of me nonetheless.

Are you thinking that you’re going to get a judgment against them and garnish wages or something? Have you ever tried to actually do this? It’s damn near impossible and unless they owe you a shitload of money, often more expensive to collect on than the original judgment is worth.

I think we need to spend a little more time investigating this notion of “non-violent evictions” because I guarantee nobody has moved beyond thought level 0 with them.

What is this violence?

Alright I admit, that was actually a pretty good answer.

One quick follow up question. What is the violence?

Just to clarify, in general when I use the term ‘violence’ I’m including credible and immediate threats. For example, if a robber gives their victim a money-or-your-life choice, I’d say that’s ‘violence’ regardless which option the victim chooses.

So, using this usage…

If goon #1 successfully gives their victim the pay-me-my-monthly-ransom-or-it’d-be-a-shame-if-your-home-burned-down choice -and- goon #2 successfully gives the same victim the pay-me-my-monthly-ransom-or-i’d-be-a-shame-if-the-sherrif-threw-you-your-family-and-all-your-belongings-out-into-the-street choice…

I’d say, over the course of a year, that the victim suffered 24 instances of ‘violence’.