You can say the same for rent too no? Subsidizing either would drive up pricing.
This is called Begging the Question. If we assume a world where the concept of ālandlordās riskā is a āgoodā thing, well of course Landlordism is a āgoodā thing. Circular reasoning is circular.
I have, in fact, addressed above this silly idea that Landlordism ācreatesā urban planning. Iāll try againā¦
In the US today, about half of the housing is rentals, and about half of the housing is free held. The half of the housing stock that is free held are not blessed with Landlordism.
If being bereft of the blessing of Landlordism causes all these terrible and bad thingees to happenā¦ then logically these terrible and bad thingees would also be suffered by the free holders. So, these Qs are addressed to any and all ITT who are imagining these terrible and bad things happeningā¦
(a) Do you feel that the free holders are, and have been, similarly afflicted?
(b) If not, why not?
I think this is a useful point but the counterpoint is that path dependency is underrated in philosophical debates about politics. I just mean that if you live in a society where certain types of approaches are the norm, itās probably way easier to make progress within those norms than by breaking them down. Iām reminded of a very brief thread NBZ created about incrementalism.
So I think maybe clovisā frustration with the impracticality of the conversation is mostly tied to path dependency. At least in the context of viewing these social problems through anti-capitalist lens and reaching a more generally anti-capitalist conclusion. Although I also share the view that the more general anti-capitalist conclusion is probably misguided (capitalism has advantages in many areas without regard to path dependency, at least when talking in general).
But still, to circle back to your point: mixed economy! Good ideaā¦
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And in a small little town like mine almost all of the rentals were once built by people who owned.
Correct, which is why microbet hasnāt yet pointed out that Section 8 wonāt let you rent a 7 bed 6 bath beachfront property. There are strict, and imo fairly low, limits on total rent and the landlord is NOT allowed to force tenants to pay for the difference.
Microbet was also breaking the Section 8 rules by not collecting that $8 in rent from his one tenant.
If someone wants to disagree that moving everyone to government housing vouchers wonāt drastically inflate housing prices, just see what āfreeā government money did to the the cost of education.
Go back to your Nazi playpen you fucking ā ā ā ā ā
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Really, thatās amazing! A small town where all the construction workers just happen to be free holders.
Meanwhile, in other triviaā¦
Collage use to be free or close to it from the beginning. Its always been subsidized.
Voucher programs essentially retain the system, no? They just have the State cover part of the rent. Just as āfree government moneyā, by which I suppose you mean āState-proffered student loansā, still have privately-held institutions billing users at the point of delivery.
Its funny we just had a company build a pretty big complex in my town for the college kids. And now the landlords who rent out houses to them are hurting a bit and are selling off their proprieties. They are getting Walmarted in a way.
The petit-bourgeois are the original āleopards are eating my faceā peeps.
Yeah, and it surely does to some extent. Government support of home buying is a much much bigger part of the housing market (like the tax rules) than government support of rent. Just saying that depending on the scale of what youāre doing, you will have unintended consequences.
Sure there are never easy solutions or ones that fit all places. Just think id rather my taxes go to someone to help them own over rent.
Keep in mind that they are many people who prefer to rent even if they can handle the financial obligations of owning a home.
The Section 8 rents were not high enough for properties in expensive areas, no. They were above typical rents in the lower income areas though and generally better properties. At least when I did it.
Iām not necessarily suggesting moving everyone into government housing vouchers. Iām not not suggesting it either, but itās certainly possible that itās just for low-income. Itās not that presently. Presently itās for a small percentage of low-income people who have made it through sometimes decade long waiting lists.
I want to live in the world where people just build something decent and get help from other people and squat there - and in fact Iāve installed part of an off-grid solar system for someone in the City of Los Angeles who has been squatting on city property for like 35 years.*
Iām just not going to claim that my world is the world enough people want to make it work for everyone everywhere.
*and itās not like just a tent. He has two trailers - a big office trailer for one, lots of space, lives and runs a business there.
One of the wonderful things about bottom-up organizing is people build their own āsmall worldsā. Then through the practices of solidarity and mutual aid, form networks with other āsmall worldsā. Also, as more peeps can see functioning and beneficial āsmall worldsā, some will naturally want to build their own āsmall worldsā too. Hopefully, after lots, and lots, and lots of hard work, and maybe a pandemic or such, a critical mass could be reached.
Or, basically, by doing the kinds of things you are already doing today.
Amen and Iām on board to help when I can within reason.
But, I canāt even get these bastards to rotate modding responsibilities and mods arenāt required to do a damn thing. Iām kinda resigned to my world being a very small one.
Hey now I offered to put in a 5 minute shift and then rotate out.
Yeah, but here itās kinda a problem of getting peeps to rotate latrine patrol when a whole lot of people want to do latrine patrol. A problem of sorts, sureā¦ but there are far worse problems to have.