A person can be smart, people are dumb: A Cactus containment thread

[j8i3h289dn3x7]

@StrontiumDog

Personal EV is what it’s all about apparently.

Not getting a booster shot is massively -EV. Even when just considering personal ev.

[Cactus]

@PocketChads

Viruses spread and mutate easier in unvaxxed young people than vaxxed and boostered young people.

True, but to what extent? This argument has been used since the beginning and now that it’s been shown that breathrough cases occur in the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike, I think we need to be careful with this narrative. It’s causing many people (like me right now) to question the importance of this

@PocketChads

And these mutations can cause the virus to be more transmissable (omicron) and/or more deadly (thankfully not yet with omicron)

Omicron is pretty goddamn transmissable. The vaccines are “leaky” to be sure which brings us full circle. If we’re all going to catch it eventually then what’s the sense in continuing all these counter measures?

[spidercrab]

@Cactus

it’s been shown that breathrough cases occur in the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike

[Cactus]

@PocketChads

No. If you don’t get vaxxed, you’re causing an untold number of OTHER people to DEFINITELY take up hospital space.

What’s this number dude? You’re repeating a talking point but maybe if you UNTELL what this number really is, maybe dumb people like me will stop questioning it

@PocketChads

Hospital space that you might need after a car crash. Or, statistically more likely than you getting shot by the entire field of guns, when you get shot by your own gun.

This part isn’t getting lost on me. I understand it and obviously it’s in everyone’s interest for their to be health care when they need it. It has nothing to do with what’s causing hospital overload tho.

I’m trying in earnest to have a sincere conversation. Maybe I’m just too dumb to get it, but I’m far from the only one. If you want everyone on board then people have to be made to understand

[LouisCyphre]

All the questions you ask have already been answered in this thread. Why don‘t you try to read those answers again because I have neither the time, nor the patience, nor the crayons to help you understand.

[Cactus]

Ok that WAS dumb lol

[MrWookie]

@Cactus

Again, I’m not disputing that hospital overload isn’t a big deal. But what evidence is there that this is being caused by unvaxxed people? NOT that unvaxxed people aren’t the patients, but that unvaxxed people are the cause that puts OTHERS in ICU wards

The argument is that an ICU overwhelmed with unvaxxed covid patients harms a vaxxed cancer patient who has to delay treatment.

[Cactus]

@LouisCyphre

All the questions you ask have already been answered in this thread. Why don‘t you try to read those answers again because I have neither the time, nor the patience, nor the crayons to help you understand.

“All I can do it explain it to you. I can’t understand it for you” is the one I like best.

I will go back and read everyone again. It seems like I got the same response over and over tho, but maybe I missed it

[Cactus]

@MrWookie

The argument is that an ICU overwhelmed with unvaxxed covid patients harms a vaxxed cancer patient who has to delay treatment.

Dude I understand that. But it has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Jesus maybe I’m just not eloquent enough to outline what I’m asking.

The unvaxxed covid patients are overwhelmingly older, heavier, and otherwise immunocompromised. They absolutely should’ve been vaxxed! But what does that have to do with people my age?

[Trolly]

@Cactus

If we’re all going to catch it eventually then what’s the sense in continuing all these counter measures?

“I’m definitely going to catch this disease, better make sure I don’t take any prophylactic measures against it” seems like a dubious take.

[Cactus]

Anyway, y’all will be happy to know that I’ve used up my allotted posting for the month. Time will tell. I don’t think mandates and boosters are tenable forever. At some point we’re just going to have to accept covid in our lives. It sucks that hospitals are being overran and I encourage anyone who might be at severe risk to get vaccinated. They are the ones who are putting the rest of us in danger should we need treatment for something else. But I have a hard time accepting that I’m the cause of your kid not getting the medical attention he/she deserves if I don’t keep getting boosters every 6 months

The end

[j8i3h289dn3x7]

@Cactus

but maybe I missed it

Maybe.

[Cactus]

I saw an excellent exchange where a guy asked a caller if he’d have unprotected sex with someone who had STDs. The caller said no and the guy said then why wouldn’t you protect yourself against covid? The caller tried to insist it isn’t the same thing to which the guy responded it absolutely is. They’re both viruses that can be reduced with protection. It was a fair point. Just tried to find a link, but couldn’t

[otatop]

@Cactus

I don’t think mandates and boosters are tenable forever. At some point we’re just going to have to accept covid in our lives.

You had to get vaccinated against 10+ diseases by law (a mandate) to go to elementary school and there are flu shots available in every pharmacy every year (boosters), accepting the existence of a disease or virus doesn’t mean you just completely surrender to it.

[pvn]

@Cactus

it’s been shown that breathrough cases occur in the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike,

it’s been shown that car wreck fatalities occur in seat-belted and unbelted people alike

[pvn]

everyone responding to this jackhole (including me) should catch a ban

[Cactus]

@otatop

You had to get vaccinated against 10+ diseases by law (a mandate) to go to elementary school and there are flu shots available in every pharmacy every year (boosters), accepting the existence of a disease or virus doesn’t mean you just completely surrender to it.

I’m not an anti vaxxer. Far from it. Although I’ve never had a flu shot as an adult because I just didn’t care if I got it. And even tho I feel the same way about covid I got vaxxed for the public good. I just think we’re going to have a very difficult time forcing everyone to get regular boosters or shut them out of society if they refuse. I’m not even sure how I feel about that from a moral or civil rights standpoint. Do parents really need to vaccinate their kids? Isn’t that why some home school?

[Marksman]

You were complaining about under 35 vs over 35 which is 35 years vs 85 years of time. You started the uneven age groups.

Seriously though, come on, you are better than this.

[Cactus]

@pvn

it’s been shown that car wreck fatalities occur in seat-belted and unbelted people alike

This is dumber than anything I’ve ever said ainec

@pvn

everyone responding to this jackhole (including me) should catch a ban

Bye

[j8i3h289dn3x7]

@Cactus

I’m not an anti vaxxer.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I just don’t want to have to take vaccines.