I agree with your last sentence there jman. We have trusted cuserounder to enforce the rules and he should act in the way he sees fit even if it causes disagreement among some of us.
What rules? There are no rules afaik
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he. made. a. poll. And lost. TWICE. And then acted unilaterally anyway.
Thought yāall decided that at some point in time. I didnāt bother caring about that stuff since I donāt really get close to breaking any rules with my posts and figure that all of you know what youāre doing.
Really put the cart before the horse by not agreeing upon some basic rules and putting them on the forum somewhere prior to choosing to lead this forumā¦
That would have done nothing to prevent disagreements and trying to do it proved incredibly difficult.
Yup. Get the disagreements out of the way in the beginning so they donāt come up in situations like these.
But ultimately, we have to trust that whoever is in charge maintains order and thatās it: Itās not impose oneās will on the board or unreasonably suppress speech that people disagree with or find disturbing.
Uh, thatās not what I said. Imo, a set of rules would have done nothing to stop the disagreements. No one cared about the posting rules in Politics or OOT on 2p2 other than to continually argue about them - for more than a decade.
I. made. the. poll.
Who. Made. The. Original
You guys REALLY suck at modding, just fyi.
Guess I ignored most of those scuffles. That and I didnāt really post heavily on Pol pre-Trump.
Anyway even if I would disagree on a banning here, I do trust cuse to do his job. The idea that he needs to check in with every move is a way for him to avoid accountability for his decisions. We have to trust the people who run these forums to do so in good-faith and make decisions with the interests of the forum in mind.
Heāll make choices that are unpopular and people will bitch. If somebody thinks they can do a better job and is willing to put in the time and effort that cuse has, well then do it. Otherwise, can it.
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Itās fine if you guys have a beef that I donāt know about that goes back and Iāll butt out, Iām just seeing posts here and there as if cuse is the only one who has a problem with these posts. I have a problem with them, I made the recent poll(s), Iām willing to continue this discussion more broadly in the moderation thread to see if we can make a little bit of progress. Iām also arguing with the M4A maximalists.
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Maybe, but permabans are different. Imo short temp bans should be doable and then perhaps voted on if enough people raise a stink and someone else wants to make a poll. So, like in this case if cuse gives NotBruce a timeout and posts about it in mod actions and no one gives a shit, then itās all good. But yeah, we should argue about any permas of anyone anything like a regular poster.
Yeah, mark me down as someone who also thinks these posts are problematic and corrosive to the forum culture. Thereās like zero upshot of letting people act like teenage edgelords here.
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I mean, dude. You donāt like the discussions here, how the place is modded, people keep hurting your feelings (Cuse yesterday and M4A people and people more left than you).
What do you like about this place? Maybe it would be more productive to say what you wish there was more of instead of less.
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That doesnāt mean thereās zero downshot to banning people for it.
For the sake of argument, Iām going to say NBZ is posting at a 7 of 10 on the Offensiveness Scale.
Question for NBZ: Would you be OK backing off a little, and only posting at a 6 of 10. (For example, not talking about ethnic cleansing or trolling anyone when cops are killed by black people?)
Question for Cuse: Would you be OK with NBZ to backing off a little, and only posting at 6 of 10.
I feel like this specific case has turned into an all-or-nothing deal, and both sides feel like the other wonāt budge. Is that true?
Heās been asked to tone it down several times and said (and demonstrated) that he will not.
Anyone saying thereās no downshot? Iām talking to not bruce right now in another thread, heās a very good poster. Search my posts itt I said I like his posting and didnāt want him gone, then I logged in a few days ago and saw that he said he prefers using the language of ethnic cleansing to talk about Republicans and I said NOPE, way, way over the line even for 4th dimensional satire/irony/edgelording whatever. I donāt think I was alone.
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Speaking for myself, itās nothing like an all or nothing deal, in fact, I feel a little bad if not bruce feels like heās forced to tone done posting that he feels has a utility to it. Maybe he sees going from a 7 to a 6 as a compromising of his revolutionary aims? This is on the community now to come up with standards, itās tedious and boring and takes a bit of time and judgment calls have to be made, yeah. As of now it seems to me that heās a poster in otherwise good standing, with cuse saying heās going to tempban him again if he sees more egregious posts, but we really should improve on defining what we find egregious (if anything).
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Different than what? Was he banned? As I said, grunching. Heād get escalating levels of warnings and temp-bans if he posted that way back in the forum when Wookie and I moderated.
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