There are plenty of people who are pro-choice, gay marriage, drug legalization/decriminalization etc who think that Kamala Harris is a Marxist, the government used COVID to increase control to unprecedented levels and the Democrats are paving the road to serfdom.
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Nope. Heâs a rich single issue voter: taxes.
Heâs pro-choice, thinks anti-trans stuff is stupid. None of these things personally affect him, so they donât matter much. He also thinks Trump is a POS. Heâs not white and not racist.
I last spoke with him when it was Trump vs Biden, so I guess it is possible he changed his mind, but based on the conversation, I doubt it.
There is so no such thing as voting for Trump and not being racist.
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You want it to be one way, but itâs the other way.
I agree that there is a lot of overlap. But there are definitely exceptions.
Obviously, you can craft a definition of racism that is broad enough that most Harris voters would fit also.
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I do too. Although his idea of being socially liberal and mine are two very different things
I think you can definitely argue that a lot of the above mentioned rich folks think (possibly correctly) that Trumpâs racist shit is mostly all talk and he wonât work very hard to follow up on any of it in office beyond some weak EO type stuff like the âMuslim banâ his first time around, that a close-ish House and Senate wonât allow any really nasty shit to pass, etc., but heâll definitely put in work to make them richer, so hey why the hell not.
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This is so true. Fuck, Iâm racist at least on some levels of ignorance
I truly think one big reason why Clinton lost in 2016 is that people who were only considering Trump resented being called racist. Many people who are racist donât want to think of themselves as such
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Sorry but it feels like you are all living 15 years ago still.
100% there was a real contingent of âsocially liberalâ people who voted for Bush, Romney and McCain for tax reasons other other nonsense.
Those people donât exist now. They are not real or just lying. Trump is the single most extreme major party candidate to run for a western democracy in history.
Sorry just not buying there are people with the same motives as 15 years ago.
Sounds like standard libertarian tbh
No way
I tend to agree with this. You can favor gay rights without being gay, but can you really sign on to a racist agenda without being racist? That seems like a hard thing to justify.
Would the non-racist Trump voter stand up at a rally and chant âbuild that wallâ? Would a white nationalist do the same? So the non-racist would stand side-by-side with a white nationalist at aTrump rally chanting âbuild that wallâ and weâre supposed to believe heâs not racist?
Does the non-racist Trump voter believe that Haitians are eating dogs and cats? Maybe not, but itâs not a deal-breaker is it? And if thatâs not a deal-breaker, what is? And weâre supposed to believe theyâre not racist?
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Hitler?
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As described above the non-racist Trump voter could be against off that stuff. He simply wants more taxes and doesnât believe that Trump will be able to do all of those racist things. After all, he didnât even build that wall the last time around. Surely the house/senate/judiciary or whatever will block him.
Maybe such a voter is stupid, naive, and uninformed. But they may not be racist in the way the word is commonly used.
Yeah I donât let people off that hook. If you vote trump you are a racist hateful bigot because you are actively supporting those actions and that platform. I donât care if Kamala promises 99% taxes.
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Ok number two. And itâs more and more difficult to differentiate. Project 2025 is basically as stage one Mien Kampf
We are 100% drawing live to concentration camps.
Letâs consider the simple example where there are two issues: lowering taxes and racism.
Given a choice between a racist who will lower taxes and an anti-racist who will not lower taxes, itâs easy to see someone who thinks lowering taxes is more important than being against racism will pick the first candidate.
Now, would a non-racist go to a Trump rally and chant racist shit next to a white nationalist? Probably not. But there are plenty of non-racist Republicans who will stay at home during the rally and vote for Trump. Doesnât mean they are racist. (Also, doesnât mean they are good people.)
Transitive property, they become racists. If the best salesperson at my company is openly racist and the company doesnât do anything about it because of sales, they are racist. Condoning racism in 2024 makes you a racist.
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I hate to keep bringing up my boss, but this is him in a nutshell. If I bring up how heâs an authoritarian criminal who tried to steal an election and that heâs a threat to democracy, he just laughs and says itâll never happen
What he cares about are lower taxes, less regulations, and keeping drag queens out of kidâs classrooms
Does this mean heâs misogynistic and racist? Absolutely. Does he think he is? Absolutely not
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Weimar Germany was a democracy.
This in itself tells us something about human nature. Your âlow taxes, racism whateverâ person sees the entire structure of the government only as it relates to him personally. He cares nothing about society or the greater good. The whole thing is there just for him. Does he draw the line anywhere? Low taxes, but fascist dictatorship? Is that okay? This guyâs world view doesnât extend any further than his own driveway. Fuck him. Heâs a racist as far as Iâm concerned.
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