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Yeah the venues need to come up with their own app. Use the app or take the pouch, your choice.
Was gonna say this.
Filmed comedy shows also rely on the audience reaction audio and shots of the crowd. People on phones damages both
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This is such a dumb point you must be trolling.
Do you walk to work everyday?
Interesting. Didnât see that when we bought them. They didnât take my girlfriends Apple Watch though so not even following their own policy.
Itâs sad you canât go a couple of hours without your phone.
Ok you are trolling. Got it.
My point from the start was a utility argument. I donât use my phone at all in shows or concerts.
Exaxtly
When you enter an LA County jail, itâs illegal to bring your cell phone! But they only got concerned about it when the feds used an inmate with a cellphone to inform on the sheriffs.
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I thought we were having a discussion.
Then why are you making a big deal about this? You may not use your phone, but apparently some people still want to use theirs. Those people are the reason for the bags.
You saying âWhy should I have to use the bags when Iâm not the problemâ, is the exact same argument as âresponsible gun ownersâ regarding gun laws.
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Again with the idiotic analogy.
Itâs spot on.
If itâs not, feel free to share why itâs so idiotic. We are having a discussion, right?
Anyway, Iâm done. Nobody has made a good argument for the utility so I have to assume one doesnât exist.
Still betting this company and practice is a footnote in the history books in five years.
is there a breakdown on the suicides? I would guess almost all of them are depressive rather than like terminal cancer type people, right? using a gun seems like the impulsive way to do it.
Some people use their cell phones inappropriately. The question is whether you tolerate that behavior or limit it in a way that inconveniences people who use their cell phones appropriately. Thereâs no perfect option that harms only irresponsible phone users.
This is how a lot of law works, not just guns. Once you get past the basic stuff, you are often looking at trade-offs like this. Some artists think there is value in banning phones to create the ambiance they desire, others donât. So long as customers are made aware at the time of purchase, I donât see a problem.
This policy is often a statement about the value of social media. Artists often donât want to cater to fans who feel the need to experience a concert through the screen on their phone and to document it. Right or wrong, artists should have a right to manage that part of the experience. I see this more as part of a larger conversation about the value of social media and how we use it rather than anything to do with piracy.
For now, itâs a pouch for your phone. Maybe the process can be better over the next ten years. Just because it has flaws now doesnât mean they have to abandon it completely.
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Cell phones via social media addiction cause suicides too, and would get partial credit for some of the suicides caused by gunshot.
The response to school shootings has been worse than doing nothing. And thatâs not really close.
Of FFS, no one made an argument you agreed with. Why do we have speed limits? I know how to drive, why do I have to suffer because some people donât know how to drive? Why should we have gun laws? I know how to safely use my gun, why should I suffer because others donât know how to safely use their gun? Why do we have venues restricting phone use? I know how to use my phone responsibly, why should I suffer because others are using their phones during shows?
You are sounding like a typical gun nut; why should we have a law that isnât going to be 100% effective? People are still going to get shot so why bother? The artists are trying to limit the damage done to their IP the only way they can right now, which is to have peopleâs phones removed during shows. It doesnât matter if it isnât 100% effective, it is effective enough, and it also minimizes the clips of them bombing and having a meltdown like Michael Richards did. If those phones had been in bags he may still have a career.
We could all probably use some refreshers on how to be disagreed without feeling attacked, likewise with how to disagree with someone without making them feel attacked. Then again, poster on poster violence was 2+2âs wheelhouseâŚ
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Who did I attack? Nobody attacked me.
We are having a discussion on a discussion board. Nobody attacked anyone. Nobody called anyone a name.
I donât agree with some of the people on this issue. I still donât agree. So what? I immediately conceded the points I was wrong on like having been notified during the purchase of the ticket.
This is how discussions are suppose to work.
I genuinely donât understand why some people feel the need to treat a discussion as some kind of problem. I simply donât believe disagreement is some kind of act of violence or aggression.
My argument, which I have not been shown counter evidence, is that the pouches are close to 0% effective, and they cause everyone else massive cost. The venue holds 2,700 people. Letâs say to enter and exit adds 30 min per person. The cost for the one show is 1,350 person hours.
The utility of gun laws is well documented as are the consequences. That is why itâs a dumb analogy.
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