I would say Trump specifically does a good job of making the people we are talking about here feel included and heard. Enough to where there is a cult following.
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He also called his fellow Americans âgarbage,â âthe enemy within,â âbad Jews,â etc. There was no shortage of insult for any voter he thought wasnât going to vote for him.
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I mean, if we are being honest, any posting on a political message board is cringe.
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Mark Cuban nailed the appropriate analogy. Trump was clearly very good at talking his way into getting laid and translated that skill into talking the American people into letting him f them. Bill Clinton was also obviously excellent at that too. This skill is obviously largely independent of ideology though.
âThe key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that youâve got it madeâ
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It is largely independent of ideology and I think if you look at the last 45 years of American elections ideology has little to do with it. Whoever the most interesting or cool candidate has won every single time in US Presidential elections. GHWB might be the one counter example but Dukakis torpedoed his campaign by looking like a doofus.
The Dems being the party of scolds is a huge problem.
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Gonna have a hard time convincing anyone Biden was more cool than Harris.
I guess 20 might be an example as well although Biden is pretty likeable for normies. Biden absolutely is more âcoolâ to normie American voters than Harris. Or at least he was.
Clearly his message wasnât received that way by A LOT of the people he was talking about who still voted for him.
Now you are just being willfully obtuse. His message was received exactly as intended by the 49.9% of people that didnât vote for him and he intends to punish us for our disobedience going forward.
Your house just got destroyed in a natural disaster and you voted D? Get down on your hands and knees and beg and maybe Iâll consider overlooking your insolence.
Yeah. Itâs easy to forget now, but Joe Biden used to be know as the cool dude who wore aviators, drove muscle cars and really, really loved ice cream. If weâre talking about white guys without a college degree, that is much cooler and more aspirational than Kamala wearing chucks and hanging around with Megan Thee Stallion.
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Yep, thatâs definitely it.
Even with the shift it was nowhere close to what polling said, plus this has nothing to do with the current conversation whatsoever. Youâre just butthurt and lashing out per usual
Itâs exactly what happened lol
Definitely being obtuse. Yes, obviously when Trump says you are bad Jew if you donât vote for him that means you can still be a good Jew if you do vote for him.
Point is that scold the alleged scolder people like you say that Ds are elitist towards people that donât think like them. Yet Trump very clearly and openly hates and despises those that donât think like him, specifically anyone that doesnât share his belief that he is the greatest human that has ever existed.
Yes, he obviously had enough charisma and persuasive abilities to get enough people to vote for him anyway but obviously we all agree that Ds should choose a more charismatic and persuasive candidate next time.
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Republicans have the optimal strategy:
The only laws they want to pass are tax cuts so senate filibuster is a godsend.
The social issues they care about all get kicked down to the states (marriage/abortion/trans sports)
When out of power, it is always Chicken Little the world is ending, scary people want to kill you. Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.
Democrats need to get better at playing this game when out of power. Specifically they need to nail Republicans on specific pony issues like:
WE SHOULD HAVE UNIVERSAL PRE-SCHOOL.
Where you just repeat it ten million times until it sticks like they do with immigration.
What was Kamalaâs single defining message besides pro-choice and that is Donald bad for democracy?
If I vote for Kamala I am gettingâŚ
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I strongly disagree that Republicans have some sort of optimal strategy. They really didnât do that well down ballot despite a massive advantage in the national mood.
Trump seems like heâs one of one to me, which is maddening as I donât see it at all, but seems true.
Another optimal thing Rs politically is make Ds reverse their policies once they inevitably take back the House in the midterms. So Ds do good things in the first two years and then they are taken away in the two years preceding the election. Like the expanded child tax credit.
Was especially bad this time since many of the good things Ds forced through happened during Trumpâs last year as COVID stimulus.
I know it has been mentioned before, but I really think people are not acknowledging the global election meta impact. Incumbents got molly whopped and mostly because of inflation.
https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1854485866548195735
Maybe it couldâve been overcome by extra strategy, Main Character charisma, or Tim Walz punching former-and-future President in the dick during a debate, but I donât see it happening.
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Agree with this. Harris ran a good campaign as evidenced by her outperformance in swing states compared to national trends. It just wasnât happening this year due to a variety of circumstances largely out of democrats control