The problem with being an institutionalist in our screwed up minoritarian system of government is that that you can’t actually do anything, so either don’t promise much or plan to disappoint.
I don’t believe his supplies all tripled in cost. I get people resort to hyperbole but it takes away from legitimate discussions when people make outlandish claims like their supplies all doubled and tripled in cost in four years.
Joe Rogan has 14.5m subscribers. Maybe if you can’t manage to not sound like an idiot talking to a literal CTE victim you shouldn’t be the Dem nominee for president.
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But what about the vibes?
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Eh, if those podcasts are primarily men doing men stuff with some influential dabbling in politics then Ds don’t need to start their own similar podcasts, and in fact, they probably can’t.
They need to learn how to appeal to the people who create those “man shows” for non-political reasons as they are. The alternative if that is unpalatable for whatever reason is to accept that they will have to win without them.
Yea I don’t get the whole “We need to make our own Joe Rogan”. The thing is Joe Rogan is popular because he’s not a super political guy. Ben Shapiro does not have that kind of pull and probably never will because all he talks about is politics in a super annoying way.
Only weirdos like to talk about politics all day, but that’s good because it means left leaning people can get on Rogan’s podcast and get a fair shake. Same thing with weightlifting podcasts or whatever. They’re dudes sitting on their couch. If you can have a conversation with a dude on a couch you have a shot, unlike trying to win over Ben Shapiro voters or trying to win over Fox News viewers, where to do so you have to go through someone who’s actively trying to trip you up.
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One problem is that Democrats go into defense mode whenever they think they have a lead because they’re afraid to screw things up, but going away from what got you there in the first place is a mistake.
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I want to congratulate this thread, because so far nobody’s take has been even 5% as stupid as boredsocial’s post mortem
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My take as well. They need to influence the influencers not try and create ground up influencers. If you could manufacture a five million person audience you don’t need politics.
Rogan has been wined and dined by the republicans since he went to Texas. His politics have shifted demonstrably in this time. These people are rarely hardcore political idealists and they can be reached.
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Are there any left leaning billionaires with pull? Only one I can think of is Cuban and he’s not really left leaning. He’s just not insane like Elon.
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Something I just thought of in relation to this. Celebrities, which are heavily liberal and supposed to influence young people, has overall taken a massive hit in reputation and relevance (mostly for good reason) the last few years.
Yeah, also, we can’t actually TALK about it. This has to be done on the down low, in order to build audiences by working the algorithms to people who are already red-pilled, or at least those who are on their way.
Joe Rogan literally endorsed Bernie 5 years ago and the dum dums in the EDem cult did their thing and here we are.
It really is that simple imo.
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Has to be one of the dumbest takes in the modern history of US politics.
“On Saturday, the progressive group MoveOn called on Sanders “to apologize and stop elevating this endorsement.””
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"In a statement Friday afternoon, Sanders’ national press secretary Briahna Joy Gray distanced the campaign from Rogan’s views, but argued that “sharing a big tent” meant keeping it open to people with whom they disagreed.
“The goal of our campaign is to build a multi-racial, multi-generational movement that is large enough to defeat Donald Trump and the powerful special interests whose greed and corruption is the root cause of the outrageous inequality in America,” Gray said, echoing the argument made by many Sanders supporters on social media. “Sharing a big tent requires including those who do not share every one of our beliefs, while always making clear that we will never compromise our values. The truth is that by standing together in solidarity, we share the values of love and respect that will move us in the direction of a more humane, more equal world.”"
THE HORROR!!! GIVE ME JOE BIDENS CORPSE!!!
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They would have all loved a Rogan endorsement for HRC or Joe or Kamala. The party would rather lose to Trump than have won with Bernie anyway. And that’s not really about policy, it’s because he wasn’t a real party member.
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Which gets down to the nuts and bolts of what I was posting earlier. The Dem party isn’t about progress in any meaningful way. It’s about jerking each other off until you reach the top of some horrible power structure that inevitably is going to choose some of the worst humans to represent it in many cases.
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Yeah. It’s partly the idiotic purity testing. It’s partly looking down on them. It’s partly writing them off as lost causes.
But Joe Rogan and his viewers are exactly the type of people that Democrats have to TRY to win over. Right now they’re not even trying. And people can sense that.
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