So a climate change plan that leads to increased gas prices is doomed to fail.
Iâm not sure why youâre talking from the perspective of working class people, because you are not a working class person and I am fairly certain live in a pretty wealthy area from what youâve publicly disclosed.
I do live in a high drug crime area, and sympathize with essentially none of what you have said. To me, it seems like this perspective comes from well-off people who donât like to be reminded that people who desperately need help and have none exist. out of sight, out of mind. And to that point, if such âsafe spacesâ existed, maybe theyâd not be dying in the street.
Iâm not personally aware of any such programs Iâve ever seen in my neighborhood but such arguments get presented in city council whenever needle exchange programs get tried. The alternative to such programs seems to be âwelp thatâs their fault for being addicts, let them dieâ which is not only extremely callous, itâs a net drain on societal costs when these people inevitably end up in the ER or a morgue.
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Nationally, yes.
In Washington State, no.
Because there are never any other solutions presented.
âWe want to get rid of the homelessâ is not a solution to the problem of âwe have too many homeless.â
Programs for homeless and drug addicts are currently the only thing that actually offers even a modicum of help to the issue. That and bussing them away somewhere else like literal human garbage.
Im not asking you to solve the problem here but I would be curious if you know of anyone who has a good solution to the problem that we havent tried.
Maybe they should have?
I could see a working class person asking why the problem seems to be solvable in Encino, Marina Del Rey, and Pacific Palisades, but not in Boyle Heights. All are part of the city of LA.
if you are going to enable them with clean needles or whatever then you might as well bus them out to the superdome and build a giant hamsterdam so people donât have to step over them in the subway station/park. whatâs the actual difference?
Care to elaborate? Do we know what has worked in those areas? Was it due to the forced bussing of human garbage I mentioned above or was something different done?
If they are going to do the drugs anyway, is it better or worse to have them using dirty needles, leading to spreading infections and higher healthcare costs for the state.
In what world has prohibiton ever worked, even once?
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Agreed, I think this is our best chance. Some mashup of what you and I have been saying (simple, tangible ponies that people can attribute to democrats) along with the branding that ChrisV mentioned.
But, honestly? Iâm not even sure if that will work anymore. Iâm struck by the lists of things voters say they wanted from democrats. Theyâre idiosyncratic and often unrealistic. Itâs not possible to give every voter everything they want, but it seems like thatâs kinda what they expect now. Doesnât seem like a solvable problem to me.
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https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2021/rescuing-jessica-san-francisco-fentanyl-addiction/
Non paywall: https://archive.ph/wnTq6
Iâve posted this article a few times before. In it they interview this guy, who lives in the neighborhood, has a lot of sympathy for the addicts, and actively helps them when he can. But he still thinks that policies that enable them are a bad idea.
Adam Mesnick, the owner of the Deli Board in the South of Market district, saw one of the flyers she had left behind and called Laurie. He knew Jessica from the neighborhood and worried that the posters meant she was dead.
He and Laurie continued to exchange calls and messages, bonding over their shared assessment of San Franciscoâs failed response to its drug crisis â that its live-and-let-live attitude amounts to negligence and makes life far harder for people like Jessica.
Adam runs a controversial, in-your-face Twitter account called @bettersoma that shows the cityâs drug crisis close up, angering some advocates who say he is insensitive and exploits homeless people. He argues that the tweets depict a reality that City Hall politicians and homeless advocates are unwilling to face. A recovering alcoholic himself, he said he wants more police presence, incarceration for dealers and far more treatment for people addicted to drugs. He doesnât think the cityâs focus on harm reduction is working.
âI try to depict the truth of whatâs really happening,â he said.
One of those truths? That the cityâs homeless and drug crises are deeply intertwined. The cityâs last homeless count found 8,011 homeless people in San Francisco â 42% of them, like Jessica, struggling with an alcohol or drug addiction.
While his online persona can be edgy, Adam is engaged in the lives of homeless individuals and posts videos of them sharing their stories. He gives them free sandwiches, money, odd jobs and a listening ear.
I trust people like this on the issue more than anyone else, certainly the media or politicians.
But again, this doesnât seem to be the biggest issue. And a lot of the biggest ones seem to be complete BS. So I have no idea what the answer is. I just think on this one issue, liberals are not winning over working class Latinos at all.
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iâm fine with giving them free needles. when i run for president, i will go a step above and give them free drugs as well. but i would do it in a hamsterdam deal away from the rest of society.
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If your prefered route is âship them away like human garbageâ fine, at least youre honest about it.
Get a billionaire liberal to create a sanctuary city for drug addicts. Put it on the tri-state border of Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota. Give all the illegals free jobs taking care of the drug addicts and watch those 3 states flip blue and send lawnmowers into orbit.
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Why trust this person above others? Does he have specialized training in urban planning or helping the homeless? Does he have a degree in addictive medicine, or some kind of psychiatry/psychology degree?
In all honesty, it seems like hes a deli owner who contributes to poverty tourism and doesnt âtrust the experts.â
He is the exact type of person who will vote from Trump and eventually have his face eaten because they arent going to do a single fucking thing different to help SF. More likely than not, they will export homeless from areas that voted for Trump TOO Sf to piss off thess people more and try to get them to vote for Trump next time.
Nobody is winning the fight against homelessness and drug addicition right now but at least the liberals are fucking trying things. You know, like rent control, that failed fucking miserably again for the third fucking time. You dont think some of the homeless out there got fucked by our housing market and now have nowhere to go?
i mean what else are you supposed to do with them? i think an olympic sized swimming pool of fentanyl in the superdome is what they want? do they want rehab? they can have that for sure. but them living in the park doesnât seem fair for the rest of society.
I was replying to a now deleted post whining about how the poster has only seen interviews from voters who say âthe dems didnât offer me any ponies so I didnât vote for themâ and the poster blames the voters for being dumb dumbs
Right? Why bother with generations of studies when your feelz say that clean needles enable them and your feelz make normies lives worse instead of better
Youâre the same as a Trumper on this issue
Yes, drug addicts just love being addicted by default. Its not as though addiction serverely fucks up your brain or anything and might affect your impulsion centers so that if someone asks you âjob or crackâ you automatically choose crack.
They just really really WANT to be addicts.