You’re overestimating the competence of everyone involved in that scenario.
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Or imagine if bands of armed Native Americans destroyed some abutting towns near a reservation, killed hundreds, and took back scores of hostages onto the reservation.
I can’t image that the reservation or the tribe would be left standing.
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To be clear, I’m positing Trump as an incompetent moron who leaks sensitive information for no good reason and Russia being the recipient of this and deciding now is the time to use it, not that Trump wants this chaos to happen.
Thanks Trump
Pentagon briefing: US warships and munitions en route to Israel
A senior US defence official has been giving an update on the developing situation in Israel. Here are some of the key takeaways that were talked about.
- They called the Hamas attack “Isis-level savagery”, referencing homes burned to the ground and young people massacred at a music festival
- The US is confident it can support both Ukraine and Israel with weapons
- Aircraft are headed to Israel with munitions, but the US official did not specify the type of weaponry
- The USS Gerald R Ford strike group has been deployed to the eastern Mediterranean
- When asked by a reporter if the US is concerned Israel will kill Palestinian civilians with American weapons, the official said Washington holds Israel to the same standard all partners are held to - which is to avoid civilian casualties
- The official did not confirm or deny if Hezbollah and Hamas had met in Iran prior to the attack. However the official did say Iran had been "fomenting instability across the region"
A Druze IDF Lieutenant colonel was killed in combat on the Lebanon border. Always found it fascinating to think about how the Druze approach this conflict.
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Another response to your question would be the concept of Deterrence. Israel’s defence philisophy is based heavily on the Deterrence Theory. The idea that invasion of this magnitude would result in a response so much costlier that no one would dare do it. In a lot of ways that philosophy worked out okay for Israel over the last 50 years. Not looking at it from a moral perspective or anything, just from your 101 international relationship course.
When something happens that breaks entirely from the previous ‘rules of the games’, you have to either back up the threats you made when deterring the opposition or admit to a collapse of your entire defense philosophy.
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A few years ago, I saw a random tweet that said something like “Human beings aren’t built to process suffering on this scale.” I try to remind myself of that - and take a break - when I can’t stop doomscrolling one of our modern horrors.
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Surely Hamas had to know that would be the response.
Don’t these people romanticize death and look forward to it and in the process they stop Israel from being normalized by Saudi Arabia by provoking Israel to crush them.
I saw this map on one of the discussions –
Literally none of this is factually true, yet intelligent educated people are discussing it. Just shows how bad narrative can distort a convesration.
I’ve seen numerous of these videos around the USA and I haven’t seen any signs on Palestine side criticizing terrorism. They honestly looked pretty happy. These people that showed up to the rallies seem like they really fucking hate Israel/Jews.
I mean you can just say it is spe and that one person posted it with literally no comment from anyone else
dubious.
edit: silo confirmed
define “none”.
not being argumentative, i’ve seen that graphic and just want to know.
This dude thinks Hamas had no other choice but to kill random innocents? If you have this level of hatred from people who grew up in the USA, I can’t imagine what it’s like over there in actual Palestine.
I will say on this sometimes diaspora far geographically removed from crisis can be a little more … fiery than those on the ground.
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Palestine as a state never existed. It’s not a question of should it. I think it should. It’s just a fact. Therefore the premise of the maps is wrong to begin with. The modern version of Palestinian nationalism is more of 60’s creation (while you could argue that Mufti Al-Hussieni was a palestinian nationalist in the earlier part of the 20th centuary, he was also a Hitler collaborator and a pretty awful human). Again, nothing wrong with that. That doesn’t diminish in anyway their claims.
In 1947 the British held territory had about 40% Jews. My family came in the 20’s to 30s. My wife’s family came in 1880 and owned more land than all the “white parts” combined in the left map (it would be a humble brag if they haven’t lost all of it and are now farmers).
The partition plan was rejected by every arab state and leaders, causing the 1948 war. Was it rejected by the Zionist leaders? Depends who you ask. Were they only pretending to accept it knowing a war will break out? Possibly. But the UN plan for an Arab state was never accepted by them.
The 1949-1967 map is just weird as those places didn’t exist. Gaza was part of egypt. The West Bank was annexed by Jordan. How are those palestinian terriotires? If the definition is Palestinians lived there then there are huge “green” spots within Israel, where Israeli-Arabs live to this date. Literally not a single information in that map is correct.
The 2005 map is debatble as to what you consider a Palestinian territory. A 2-state solution would revert back to something along the 1967 lines. Is it feasible? No. Is it “morally just”? No. It’s a conceptual compromise that maybe could have worked at a certain time.
None of what I wrote is a matter of opinion. The map, like a lot of this infographics stuff, is meant to give the idea that Israel never had the right to exist (surely if the first map was true that has to be the conclusion). That is a valid opinion. I had professors in Tel Aviv University who thought that. But taking that stance has a lot of implications on what you can are morally justified to claim or demand of modern day Israel.
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so your beef isn’t as much with the map/shading itself as it is with the details/background?
What do you mean? The map shows information that is wrong. All of it, to be exact. It is showing wrong information for a reason. I specified the wrong information and the reasons.
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more appropriate labeling would be “palestinians use to live here, now they live here” basically?
to this random american, i think the gist of the graphic is “palestinians used to live in the green on the left, then israel was created, and now they live in the green on the right”.
But that would be wrong. Israeli Arabs live all over Israel and almost no one lived in 90% of the territory the first map. I don’t know how something can be more wrong than that. If it’s by ethnicity then not a single one of the maps is closed to true. If it’s by territory not a single one of the maps is true.
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