This is an end state utopia, not any kindnof solution to the current situation. I thought thats what you were trying to chessmate me about (ie the practical steps)? I too would like peace and harmony all over earth.
I think Isreal as apartheid south africa with the same moral dury to oppose and economically isolate it until it changes itâs ways is an interesting and reasonable (to me) framing. I definitely would like to see that view gain some traction in the mainstream.
Well if only me and the other moderate zionists fascists gets our way, it will happen sir.
Wtf. I havenât said any of this. I posted a reminder about the balance of atrocities here and pointed out howthe west distorts the narrative by manufacturing and amplifying propaganda that dehumanizes the other side. You came in and went ham on how if I donât focus on the â1000 murdersâ I am promoting genocide in Gaza lol (which also seems to be the only option according to you anyway?).
Also you just telling on yourself with this stuff:
âHamas, as shown numerous times since actively crashing the Oslo Accords along with Israelâs right wingâ
Both sides bad, we get it, very nuanced.
Right and my exact point is how can it when the entire conversation is so clearly crafted to insist on the immutable savagery of the Palestinians.
I know what you did. You are also distorting and manufacturing and amplifying propaganda that dehumanizes the other side.
That doesnât mean both sides are equal. That both sides are equally wrong or right. It just means that you are illinformed and your view is as basic as those who blindly support Israel. Which is a huge blow for your ego iâm sure, but you came here.
eta - Also the fact that you donât realize you said all of that is the issue. Iâm trying to help you learn and grow. I know your heart is in the right place, otherwise I wouldnât bother.
Well you have support from this holocaust denying anti-semite who wants to drive all jews into the ocean :)
Nah, you are engaging in bad faith Mr. Lefty. You havenât shot a hole in a single thing Iâve said or posted a single piece of actual information to support your argument. Repeating over and over how smart you are and how ignorant I am without any supporting evidence is always a sign of strength though, and a healthy ego.
Weâve reached the âbad faithâ part of our program. Thank you all for watching.
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Calling out racists in America and the complicit media for amplifying black crime to avoid police accountability can only lead to one thing: slavery. I am very smart.
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Did I miss it or did you not answer this? What does this look like?
I already thanked everyone for watching. Although to be fair, I was pretty much toying since you wrote âcrying abotu your poker gameâ. Empathy (or lack of it) is always the quickest way to identify leftists from trolls.
Anyhow, with your permission of course, iâll update this thread with news I find interesting.
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Sick dunk, bro, congrats. In the meantime, letâs reiterate what weâre actually talking about here:
No, weâre talking about how Israeli RWNJ said that if you open the âheavily fortified perimeterâ Hamas will execute a 1000 people. Then Hamas broke the heavily fortified perimeter and executed a 1000 people. Which is not a good thing. But then you said itâs actually okay and saying something about it is distorying and manufacturing and amplifying propaganda that dehumanize the other side.
But you know, words and their meanings. So irritating sometimes.
You also posted an infographic showing dead people. Maybe weâre actually talking about that. I only assume you meant that side A deserves more dead. Or side b gonna get pummeled now. Iâm not sure exactly, but it was certainly related to college football scores or something you like.
I think we can all at least agree that you are very confused.
âSick dunk, broâ.
Do you have any more infogrpahics you want to share with us? Iâm sure this PragerU-eseque way of learning about the world has been beneficial for you. So far we have death toll and map of Gaza. I feel like weâve all wasted so much money on our education.
Air raids sirens went off now so I really will end this intelligent conversation now.
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Well I wasnât killed in this one.
As to your deleted question (I appreciate that) -
There is no realistic way to not respond militaristically to this attack. This isnât isolated to Israel and Gaza. If you consider it from the point of view of Israel (which is something you should do, regardless of what you think of it) it would be absurd not to. The question of what type of military reaction is hard. Ground invasion is more costly for the invasive side, but probably stands a better chance of achieving less civilians casuailties. Israel has a long history of protecting itâs military life at all cost. Sadly, while a ground invasion means more dead soldiers, it might mean less dead civilians than aerial attacks.
Hamas, by its own admission now, decided ot neglate the difference between itâs military operatives (Mohammed deif) and itâs political ones (Yahya Sinwar and others). This isnât the same as previous rocket attacks from the Islamic Jihad. So yeah, if I could I would 100% support a strategic attack aimed at reaching Hamas leadership.
Just as I am actively opposed to military activity in the occupied territories.
I assume youâd consider it a win or slam dunk or whatever lingo you used. But yeah, Hamas took their first act as an attacking military. They did so with great success within their goals. But it also creates a much different landscape when it comes to legal and morally justified reaction. Which sucks for me, because I live here.
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The events of yesterday also illustrates why I always hate the use of asymmetric war as an end point to a discussion. Now that the fighting is âsymmetricalâ, are Israel allowed to use the same tactics Hamas did yesterday? I sure as fuck hope not. I would def not agree to it.
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Setting aside the likely human toll here, what pops up in the power vacuum left by Hamas? What is the view of Israel from Gazans who manage to live through what you are describing? Will they have anything to live for except revenge? You say âstrategicâ which I think implies not an overt ongoing military presence shaping politics, but stop me if Iâm wrong on that. If not I would say the chances of an emergent government with a less hostile approach to Israel are 0%.
This conflict is often talked about as an endless cycle of violence. Mostly I think that framing is used to obfuscate moral responsibility, but if you accept that it logically follows that someone has to take a leap of faith to end the cycle.
I am glad you are safe.