Democrats?
Back when they were making a weekly mockery of Oz with stuff like the crudite clip, I assumed they had something incredible saved for mid-October. Iâve been lamenting with my buddy that they must not have or they would have dropped it by now.
Maybe they still do and theyâre going to drop it tomorrow or the next day to kill the news cycle from the debate?
Fetterman not debating is bad according to them, and Fetterman debating isâŚalso gonna be bad according to them, because theyâre in the business of results-oriented clickbait outrage takes like Why the Nazis Have a Valid Point About Obamaâs Tan Suit. Theyâre in on it and just as responsible for the body count as anyone.
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Itâs difficult to make a positive case for why anyone in either side of the aisle should show up to these debates.
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I think the play was to accept a debate, but you have a valid medical reason to do so under very strict terms. Have the whole thing written or online. If you do it normally and are actually slurring your words and constantly stuttering thereâs absolutely no chance youâre gonna beat a professional TV grifter.
Given whatâs at stake, it was impossible to withdraw from the race months ago? What in the fuck. RBG vibes over here.
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Iâm playing devilâs advocate here. Also, as mentioned above, I havenât watched significant portions of the debate or any of the talking heads who are discussing the debate.
You are correct, but if we are being completely objective, we have no idea whether he actually can think clearly after the stroke. He could have aphasia alone or he could have both aphasia and cognitive impairment.
So the best they could say is, âWell maybe he has a speech problem, but that doesnât mean he has any cognitive impairment. He may be just as sharp as he ever was. Or he could be impaired. Itâs kind of hard to tell from a TV debate because of his speech difficulties.â
That would be true, but I donât think itâs really any better.
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What about on a scale of the Red Room in Twin Peaks to Fenster from The Usual Suspects?
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âBeatâ is not the standard. That was very likely never going to happen. Say what you will about Oz, but there is no doubt he is more intelligent (I mean if they both took an IQ test, which admittedly one can argue is not a good measure, but letâs forget that tangent for now, as itâs not that important) and more polished when it comes to speaking. Fetterman has the advantage of better positions, but itâs hard to capitalize on that when you canât speak normally. And when you add that handicap to Ozâs built in advantages, even peak Fetterman was unlikely to notch a convincing, Crist-like win.
But thatâs not what he needed to do. He just needed to not abjectly suck. You can just ignore the questions completely and spew canned talking points. Apparently, you can even whip out fake badges. All you have to do is clear a very, very low bar and your machine can spin it into a win or at least a draw. If you canât even do that, only then should you decline. Not being able to âbeatâ your opponent is not particularly important.
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I mean, from what Iâve seen, I can tell where he was going with all of his answers theyâre making fun of, and where heâs going makes sense. I donât think heâs cognitively impaired, I think itâs speech/auditory processing.
The dopey look on his face doesnât help much either.
For politics at large I think it actually is very important for these lying pieces of garbage to be beaten, as in very clearly publicly humiliated.
I donât think he is either. Iâm just saying it hard to be sure of that when watching an aphasic person on TV (which once again, I havenât actually watched. Gonna check out some clips later tonight). And since he did have a recent stroke, there is reason to believe that there may also be cognitive impairment.
I hear you. That is a good goal and it would be great to achieve. Itâs just super hard to do with these debate formats where the moderator launches a bunch of relative softballs. Even in cases of a complete mismatch, it is really hard to administer a beat down. The rules make it that way. So not being able to do the beat down doesnât automatically mean you should decline to debate. Declining is normally worse than showing and not doing the beat down. Seems like Fetterman would have been the exception there.
If it makes anyone feel better, Fetterman was gonna lose anyway. Itâs gonna be a huge democrat wipeout.
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The correct answer from the media is it doesnât matter what kind of condition heâs in, because weâd take Terry Shiavo or an actual corpse over this Dracula-looking Dr. Mengele motherfucker.
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This is why fundraising is so important, he couldnât afford those good drugs that Sleepy Joe got for his last debate with Bernie.
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NPR today mentioned Fettermanâs issues, played some clips, but didnât make it sound like a catastrophe and they moved on to the issues. Wouldnât think anything of it from their coverage.
Oz at 65% seems like an overreaction. I think going in Fetterman was probably a slight favorite and as bad as it was I donât see it moving to Oz being a 2-1 favorite after it.