With “literally zero cost” I should have said “literally zero downside”. I meant his vote for Tromp in CA does no harm.
The math on the lotto odds vs voting in a swing state is hyperbole I reckon…it’s pretty hyperbolic. If the point is that 1 in a million or 1 in 100k is already vanishingly small - ok, but I don’t think that means it’s the same thing as the vanishingly small 1 in 100 million (assuming you meant some big lotto win). Point being, I don’t think “my vote only has a 1 in a million impact” is a reason to not vote, whereas POTUS vote in CA is, I don’t know, if not literally zero, it’s 1 in a googleplex or some crazy number.
Is that what the little print says at the bottom? My bad. TYVM for bringing that to my attention. I’ll delete that post. However… that brings up a good aside.
The title “Don’t Vote, It Only Encourages Them”, as well as the fellow watch words “If Voting Works, i’d be Illegal”, are variously attributed to Mark Twain, Emma Goldman, and any number of contemporary peeps. This is all BS. These were in currency long before any of the bogus contemporary attributed were born, and neither Twain nor Goldman said any such thing…
This is my bad too. I lazily didn’t bother to do that one click to check which post you were responding to, and just assumed you were responding to the one above that.
Not at all. The chance of your vote being the tipping point is something on the order of C/2^x. For any x > ‘some large number’, the op costs are going to dominate. The x in CA or WY are all going to orders of magnitude over that ‘some large number’.
It’s basically “lying with statistics”… pointing out the relative difference, in a situation where the absolute difference is what matters.
Yeah, you’re right about the math. It’s a little depressing, like how there’s no free will or meaning to life. It (voting) is essentially an irrational religious like thing.
As far as opportunity costs go, that’s just based on personal values anyway. It’s definitely dominated by what you think the impact on your dad will be. Will it make him happy? Will it cause him frustration and anguish that he has trouble understanding?
Some people go out and vote in person during a pandemic. The level of health safety, to themselves and others, they feel is appropriate is a personal value, sure. Some people pay for overtime child care, or skip wages, to vote in person. More personal values.
Fuck off with this, you’re never doing shit to GOTV because anyone here tells you. You’re just trolling. Further you repeatedly presented it as quasi-legal, and most of us aren’t going to suggest violating election law.
Regarding my sis & niece: they want to vote against the evil toxic waste container. But they didn’t make the choice to spend the time to register to vote. They wanted to vote in a ‘battleground’ state.
I did in fact do the GOTV on them, thus: I informed them that LOL at jurisdiction shopping like that. They’d both need to register at my dad’s address in CA.
Regarding my dad. I did a whole lotta GOTV on him. I collected up all that election trash, and conspicuously placed it where he would have to see it. When I noticed he was playing around with it, I always brought him a pencil, and offered to go over it with him. When he left it all scattered around, or filed it in the recycling bin… I collected up all that election trash, and conspicuously placed it where he would have to see it. Caretaking Alzheimer’s folks is like living Groundhog Day… by the hour.
My dad has a sitter a few hours a week so I can go shopping/etc. The last sitter helped him with the census. I asked the new sitter if she wanted to help him with the ballot. Still more GOTV on my part. Alas, she’s a Mayan who lived under El Dedazo. She just laughed at me.
Anyways, you are now stooping so low you are calling me a liar when I’m telling stories about my own family. How about fucking off, trolling asshole !!!1!
You are correct, currently it is the other way. Meaning that this coming Tuesday is POTUS Bowl. That is ~100% happening. The winner becomes POTUS. Nobody is disputing that ITT.
The way that things are right now is not because there’s some universal and intractable law of nature. It is not a violation of E=mc2, if we choose not to obey our masters. In fact, since we overwhelmingly outnumber the rulers of the world, they must rely almost entirely on our acquiescence and subservience to their rules in order to maintain control and power over our lives.
When someone proposes considering options that lay outside of our masters’ rules, they are not advocating for the equivalent of: “I oppose gravity. Let’s stop falling down after we jump. We can stay in the air forever.”
Elections within our systems of governance are social constructs. Created by humans, and can be used, altered, or abolished by humans.
You are free to choose not to think about or consider alternatives to the socially constructed aspects of our reality. You can choose to rage post at people who are conversing about ideas or tactics that lay outside the mental constructs designed by our masters, as you dutifully draw within the lines dictated by those who claim to own the world and write the rules. As long as enough people do so, it’ll most likely stay one way, and not the other.
I wouldn’t take any money, because I’d be scared of breaking some law. I wasn’t even sure how far I could legally go to induce my own dad to vote. I ain’t doing no five years like that poor lady. Yeah… her vote counted alright.
But… how much could I be worth? Like $0.00000001 in disposable campaign funds or something, right?
EDIT: There are two options here. Either Sabo thought German was an extremely pithy language, which would show complete ignorance, or Sabo was trolling, which would go against the 2nd post in this topic.
The problem, simply put, is this: the fewer people vote, the easier it is for the GOP to control everything - and use that power to consolidate even more power.
There are two ways to change the system: from within and via violent overthrow. I am a proponent of change from within the system, specifically by electing good people in primaries.
Not voting doesn’t further the cause. Bush won with 49% turnout or something like that, it’s not like if we hit 45% they magically say, “Damn, you got us.”
This is a stupid topic at an asinine time, but for Sabo it’s EXACTLY the right time. He wants to trigger people, no more and no less.
