Working out / health and fitness

Thanks!

I do face the question of what next? In this case, I was motivated to go sub 1:35 in the half because of a long-standing rivalry with a good friend of mine. So now I have the following internal things I’d like to accomplish:

  • 6 minute mile
  • 20 minute 5k
  • 3:30 marathon
  • (stretch) BQ marathon (I’m 45-49M group)

I think the 6 minute mile and 20 minute 5k are within reach. A 3:30 marathon is probably within reach if I devote enough time to it. But, like you said, marathons are kind of silly. I am very happy to have done a few, but I don’t really enjoy doing them and it’s definitely a burden on my family to get the hours in. For me, half marathons are great in that I can train for them in a reasonable way, and I actually enjoy the event while I’m doing it. So I’ll continue to do 1-3 halfs per year for the foreseeable future.

That being said, I’m not very satisfied with my best marathon time (3:44) and I’m likely to take one more stab at it to say, “Yep, I’m done and satisified and it’s time to put childish things behind me.”

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I’m in the same age group as you and my big exercise goals are more along the lines of “don’t get hurt”.

for most people who can run a 1:35 half, then from your list, by far the easiest is the 3:30 full. You definitely have the base fitness to do that rn, you’d just have to change what you were doing for training.

In normal times the BQ is the second-easiest thing on there (3:20). Believe it or not you also might have that in your locker rn, you’re just missing specific marathon mileage / workouts / long runs, i.e. you’re at most ~six months away.

But apparently de facto BQ times are bananas right now—I don’t pay attention to this stuff so it might have calmed down but had heard that in some age brackets there was such a covid bottleneck that folks were having to go ten minutes faster than listed BQ time to actually get a slot.

The good news is that by the time your marathon time is safely BQ, then you’d be getting into the 7:20ish/mile marathon territory…and marathon paces like that are predictive of 5K times around 20 flat. (And btw if you’re getting a sub-20 5K then you’re getting your sub-6 mile, those two are a package deal.)

(and ofc as you know “predictive of 5K times blah blah” doesn’t mean you get the marathon and then roll out of bed and get the 5K too, it means that if you can run that marathon time, then given reasonable specific 5K training [like 12-20 weeks] you can probably run the 5K.)

In general the most efficient direction to do these things is long-to-short, meaning that in your spot more people will have better luck training for a 3:14:15.9 marathon and then going for the sub-20 minute 5K rather than doing the speedy stuff first and adding volume after. But YLMMV. And also as you get into your fifties and slip ever closer to unlimited nothingness then your window for the 5K stuff is probably closing first.

I don’t even like running very much. And I’m definitely not a marathon person. But I will say that boston was surprisingly wonderful and worth doing once. But there are fun 5K possibilities too, like if you get close to your goal then you can also take a weekend and go to a fast one like Carlsbad or whatever and run a great race and then that’s a thing you will have done

But mosdef is also right, in that it’s essentially impossible to consistently train for races for two or three years without having at least one obnoxious setback. And as you say, the whole idea of being an adult person with a family can be a clunky fit with deciding to go for some indulgent goal at competitive joggy joggy and for what, so that you miss your goal by eight or eighty seconds because of fifteen different reasons only seven of which you had control over, and then you get to look forward to feeling secretly miffed about this? How many millions of people who wanted their sub-whatever whatever and made a solid push three summers ago and finished seriously only eighty seconds short, and are still disgruntled because eighty seconds is basically sixty and ok it was also not fair because of the monsoon, or the stupid shin splints, or the safety pin on their racing bib that came loose and shiskabobbed their urethra that cost at least forty seconds, oh god if I had only had a fully functional urethra I could have run fifty seconds faster and then the other thirty and I wouldn’t have to spend the rest of my days with my own private thought-bubble smudge whenever people start talking about marathons because I wouldn’t have privately FAILED at some TOTALLY ARBITRARY dumbass thing that in truth wasn’t that simple because my wife was liking my shapely hindparts wait

3:44 is slow for you so you should probably do that. But if you want the boston stuff then your main thing is going to be mileage. Yes on low mileage it’s absolutely possible to get cute in a bunch of ways and save time and run decent races while living life decently. But eventually the thing everybody needs the most is more raw time spent running, period. There’s no way around it. And true for 5Ks too.

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Update on the elbow tendonitis. Recovery seems to be going well, and I’ve been doing a lot of reading.

Thought I would share the basics that are helping me.

  1. Recovery is about slowly increasing strength in the tendon, while avoiding further damage.

  2. Theres a cycle. train > tendon gets weaker > tendon recovers and gets stronger.

  3. You need to manage this cycle so that the recovery phase exceeds the weakening phase.

  4. Start very very light and build up slowly over weeks, not days.

  5. 48 hours rest between sessions is recommended.

  6. The most effective measure/feedback loop is soreness 24 to 48 hours after training, not soreness during training. This post training soreness should stay steady or improve over time (comparing session to session). Excessive soreness (above 3/10 pain) shows you overdid it.

  7. A big warning sign is soreness during training that goes away during the session. You’ve probably over done it.

Following this I seem to be on the road to recovery. Will be slowing adding weight and volume over the coming months. Definitely going to take it slow, I’ve basically had my ability to train crippled for 12 months, so I’m not gonna fuck it up now.

In other news. I’ve been doing twice weekly hill intervals. That’s been fun and the fitness levels are recovering too. But cant wait to get back on the rower properly.

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This sounds very familiar. I’ve been battling what I think is tendonitis in my right elbow. Rarely hurts doing the workout but can hurt a day or two after.

Here’s what I’ve done that’s helping so far:

  1. Use elbow sleeve when working out. No idea if this actually helps, but if it keeps inflammation down maybe it’s good.
  2. Take ibuprofen before workout. Same idea with inflammation.
  3. Stay within bounds. I try to never do anything arm-related if I can’t do 10 solid reps with good form, although I do push it to 8 sometimes.
  4. 3 days rest after pulling stuff. Pulling and then pushing 1-2 days later seems to have been a trigger. I lift Monday-Thursday, so I’ve moved back day (rows, lat-pulldowns) to Thursday to give 3 days of recovery time. Deads and shrugs never seem to be a problem - so I guess it’s pulling and bending.
  5. No new exercises. This one kind of sucks because I like to work in new things. But the last time the tendonitis flared was 2 days after I tried the super-wide lat-pulldown thingy.

The middle one is great (size is not to scale, it’s much smaller than the top one). But my gym only has one and it’s super popular. So I tried the widest one. Felt fine lifting. But two days later I couldn’t military press 15 lbs over my head w/o serious pain.

Maybe after a while I’ll work in new stuff. But for pulling I think I pretty much need to stick to what I know my elbow can handle.

In the past I’ve done wrist curls and hand squeezes to try to increase forearm and wrist strength. But the last time I did that I hurt my hand. So I’ve laid off that for now.

Try scaling it back. If you keep getting pain, you are probably making it slowly worse and worse.

I tried to work around my tendonitis. Ended up with a 12 month lay off and got fat

This looks really fun. Me and Mrs Rugby tried swing dancing. But she hates the fact we have to swap partners (she gets a little anxious) so only went a couple of times.

Might try going back when things open up and insist on no swapsies.

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A friend into Salsa invited my wife and I to a dance event many years ago. I found the idea of dancing with different partners extremely uncomfortable (and I’m no Mike Pence). Can’t explain it, but it just felt weird to me. Like why would I dance with some person I have no interest in whatsoever?
And I remember one partner had cold, clammy hands that were just downright yucky.

New PR for 5k this morning of 25:38
splits were 8:13, 8:11, 8:16, and 7:41
i beat my goal pace of 8:20, but i didn’t feel like i was going to die at the end, so probably could have gone a little faster

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nice job, those splits look great! And man if you left fifteen seconds out there who cares, and also who knows, because it’s a really fine line. In a 5K every second that’s too fast tends to cost two seconds later @ nine times the pain. Looks like you ran awesome. If the race was large then I’m guessing the last five to ten minutes were you gliding through a numb lamentable mob in the style of your avatar. Congrats! and next up sub-8 pace in 2022 let’s gooooo :+1:

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Thanks. This was a solo time trial instead of an organized 5k, but I still passed a lot of people! There was some dude who came onto my course from another path and was right next to me during the last 0.1 mile. Not sure what he was doing, but that made it seem a little more like a race.

I signed up for a real 10k on Jan 8. I’ve already run that distance a few times, but I’ve never put in a race effort. Will try for 8:30 pace.

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I climbed my first V5 today. I’ve been going at a minimum of 2 times per week and feel like I’m finally getting over a plateau. The biggest difference has been body control. I probably need to do some minor weightlifting to get stronger but I despise it.

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Yeah definitely wasn’t trying to suggest there’s anything wrong with it. I like dancing too, but more comfortable in a club atmosphere where you can get your own spontaneous groove on.

Social dance is probably just not my thing.

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Remind me never again to get a flu shot and give blood in the same day, then go on hard hikes for 2 days (I only did a flat walk the day of). I get dizzy every time I stand up, and I am so weak. I think I made myself anemic.

After donation, your body goes to work regenerating the lost blood. Your plasma recovers the quickest, in about 24 hours (9). The Red Cross recommends no strenuous exercise during this period until your “fluid” or plasma normalizes (9). Platelets restore next, within a 72-hour period (13). The oxygen carriers or RBCs – unfortunately for athletes - are the slowest to regenerate, taking four to six weeks to fully rebound (9).

Damn I didn’t know it was that bad. A power red is basically all red blood cells. They do two cycles where a machine strips off the red blood cells, then puts your plasma back in. I may not do that next time.

cross-posted to guillotine thread

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What’s the issue here?

Its paywalled. But she works with dyslexic kids, trained a rescue dog, and is truffle hunting on presumably national parks.

Disclaimer: I did not read the article

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Already sick of bringing my barbell inside so ordered one.

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I usually warm up my barbell by foam rolling it.

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Not sure that will work with a solid frozen bar of steel lmao. It will be cold af here soon and I have an uninsulated garage. I have a propane heater that I use for ice fishing to blast some heat in there before I start but that would take forever to warm up a barbell.