I’m only seeing stills, but I have no doubt he is kipping the fuck out of them (this was actually a point of discussion in his thread – it was actually kipping pullups, which is the same problem), which is probably not great for the shoulders wrt injury risk (and I think there is some science on this, but not 100% sure).
If done strictly with no kipping (which is rare in the wild), I can’t think of why it wouldn’t be a good exercise. Risk to shoulders is probably far less. But doing even a single strict muscle-up is hard AF. And I’m sure whatever training you need to be able to do to accomplish it is probably fantastic functionally and aesthetically.
I’m with Melkerson. I don’t think I’d recommend folks actually do muscle ups, let alone in a timed exercise race which will necessitate kipping and lead to poor form.
All those accessories are great bodyweight exercises though. pullups, chinups, ring rows, dips (bar and ring), etc + the gymnastics pieces like hollow rock and tucks. All of that is really safe, relatively easy, and will build very strong shoulders.
This can all seem a lot intimidating, especially starting from ground zero and then factor in the pandemic concerns since most places you could practice this would be indoors with heavy breathing, poor ventilation, etc.
The same guy that wrote Starting Strength also had this quote which I always remember to consider when thinking about programming.
Everything Works. Some things work better than others. Nothing works forever. - Mark Rippetoe
At this point, I think you’re best to start with just a regular habit of intentional exercise. Make it easy, set the bar low, learn how how to move your body and see how it feels. Jumping into a barbell program with fairly strict exercise range of motion may not be for you yet.
I really like this https://darebee.com/ website which was shared by @Ikioi in October of last year. I’ve used several of workouts while in lockdown and it helped keep me active when I had no clue what to do at home. There are a ton of different workouts across all difficulty levels that require no equipment and can be done from home, but there are so many that it may be a little overwhelming. For that reason, I would recommend checking out their Programs section and filter down on Difficulty Level 1 or 2 (honestly, the 1s seems too easy and maybe more designed for folks in seriously bad shape/obese). This particular program seems like it has a lot of great, foundational movements which will help translate to getting more in shape and there will be some learning moments in there about how your body feels during these more complex movements. Foundation Each workout scales as well in the amount of sets you do, so if something seems too easy you can always just do more rounds of those exercises.
I’m happy to answer any questions as best as I can to help you through this journey, whether it’s itt or via DM.
Did your endo get any labs this time? I’m familiar enough with your posting to know you get a significant amount of exercise and don’t seem to have a major hunger/satiety problem afaik. And you easily lose weight on test?
If it’s other -tides then maybe Trulicity or Saxenda?
The weight-loss mechanism for these things appears to be decreased appetite / increased satiety, so strictly affecting the calories in side despite primary metabolic effects on insulin and glucagon. $1000/mo seems like a lot for what they offer. That’s an amount you’d consider paying?
Yeah my testosterone was at 208 after bottoming out at 152 after juicing, then going on TRT briefly, then going off it for 6 months. I used to always be between 300 and 350 if I wasn’t juicing. But I’m older now. It will be interesting to see where I’m at in 6 more months of lifting and not doing any TRT.
I can tell roughly where I’m at by how much I want to look at porn. Testosterone 200 = about 1.5x/day.
The endocrinologist did seem to think that fat breaks down testosterone (meaning your body can’t use it). Which is interesting because if true it means the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Maybe I can start that ball rolling in the right direction.
We’ll see if I can actually lose some damn weight with this protein-shake-for-dinner diet I’ve been on for 8 days now, and then maybe maybe my testosterone will go up more. So far so good, feels sustainable. I haven’t lashed out at my coworkers or screamed at too many inanimate objects around my house yet.
I haven’t lost more than 10 lbs w/o being on test for maybe 20 years. I’m exercising and lifting way more than I ever have. So maybe this diet will actually work.
I’d consider paying $1k/month for a year if I knew it would work.
I dunno about this specific claim but hormone interaction is a bottomless rabbit hole. T for sure inhibits LPL in adipocytes and induces HSL, which is to say creates favorable conditions for triglyceride breakdown as opposed to storage. Cortisol has the opposite effect. I mean, you already know this to some extent. Have they measured other androgen hormones like DHEAS & DHT?
If you’re willing to pay $1k/mo for a weight loss drug, then you’ve crossed into very serious territory and should at least see someone who can definitively rule out all of the potential endocrine causes. No one has done that for you yet. I can’t remember your history with the weight gain but if you were normal weight then started gaining quickly at some point, an endocrine problem is more likely. If you gained slowly over many years then it’s less likely.
I’d gladly pay 1K/month for a perfectly safe and reasonably effective weight loss drug and I’m not that overweight. Losing weight takes serious effort for me. It’s far easier for me to just grind out an extra 1k a month.
I did go to a nutritionist about 13 years ago. He ran tons of tests and put me on a diet that started out with 2 weeks basically no-carbs and then low carbs and I could only eat certain foods. For example I could eat as much grapefruit, strawberries and blackberries as I wanted. Something about glycemic index I think. But other fruits were on a budget.
After 6 weeks or so when I hadn’t lost much weight and I assured him I was sticking to the diet, which I was, he asked if I wanted to go on testosterone. They had a doctor in-house. That’s how it all started. I did two rounds of cypionate with the doctor at 1 ml/week, which did help me lose weight.
But by the end of that I was kind of done with the nutritionist, so I asked a body-builder I knew at the gym if he could get some, then did it for a year and a half at pretty low levels. By the end of that run I got down to 215. I had a 6-pack, it was weird. Ever since then I’ve done it on and off.
During that stretch - my weight would generally peak at around 270 about 6-12 months into a new job. I want to make a good impression and establish myself, so eating goes on the back burner. Then I spend the rest of that job trying to lose weight. This time I got up to 283, which was terrifying. I’m at 256 right now. I’m never getting a 9-5 again.
6’1. Family pretty average on both sides. My Dad is like 5’11. Uncles all between 5’10 and 6’2. Midwestern bellies on my mom’s side but nobody super fat. My Dad is in great shape at 80, slim build compared to me, walks a lot.
Nobody on either side is built as stocky as me. Even if I lost all the fat, I’m still thick and wide-bodied. When I was on test we did a dunk tank at my circuit training class that said I had a 191 lean body mass. Which might be off, but the point is those charts that say I should be 180 are insane.
I was like 99th percentile height and weight until junior high when huger kids started to appear and I didn’t keep growing as fast.
My diet was utterly horrible from the time I got my car at 16 until 3rd year of college when I had ballooned up to 250. I started running a little and basically became anorexic. I’d eat like one piece of pizza a day. I lost 50 lbs by the end of the school year. I can’t ever seem to do things in a balanced way.
Heh, I was almost the same way. At one point I got completely wiped out by a cold because my immune system was MIA and I realized that the starvation diet isn’t the best way to lose weight.
I’m fairly sure it fucked up my metabolism at least some. Losing weight has always been so much harder since then. Maybe just because my cortisol spikes and I have to go off the diet before I kill someone.
