I mean this group was lost to Pete at least a month ago. I was hopping off his wagon the second he started holding big dollar fundraisers TBH. That’s because I know how these things work and it’s a deal breaker for me. I very much want to see the Warren/Bernie/Yang style campaigns become the norm. AOC taking out a deeply entrenched establishment candidate demonstrated for me that being authentically not bought is an asset that is worth more than dark money running ads.
I’m 3 hours behind and lol. Whatever has happened in those 3 hours lol at you.
That article is just “Warren used to do big money fundraisers and now she doesn’t and that makes her… a hypocrite, I guess?”. When people make a change for the better, that’s grounds for applauding them, not being like BOOOO HYPOCRISY.
I don’t really care about the wine cave thing, but to the extent that it matters, it matters because it plays into the problem with Pete, which is that he is a centrist born-to-rule establishment type cosplaying as a progressive candidate. You can fairly accuse Warren of being wishy-washy on M4A, or ultimately accountable to the Dem establishment, or whatever, but you can’t fairly say she hasn’t been hostile to billionaires this campaign, which is why this “oh yeah well Warren did it too! In the Senate!” thing is just not going to land.
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Maybe if she didn’t use it as an attack vector on Buttigieg during the last debate.
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The wine cave thing is more funny than anything because the optics are soooo bad.
The truly indefensible thing is the explicit pay to play promise his campaign made. Telling donors they get access to the candidate and policy positions in return for money should be a crime.
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Then she should say that?
Every damn time Warren is confronted with a challenge she ignores it and stays on her script.
To be clear, Warren is and has been questionable from the start. Like, I know most of you want to ignore it but being a republican into her late 40s or early 50s or whatever is a gigantic red flag and should be more disqualifying than it is.
It’s a sad fact that, even with that in mind and quotes about how much she loves capitalism, she’s still the second best candidate in my lifetime and maybe ever. That doesn’t change the fact that a few years ago she thought high dollar fundraisers were fine, and she spent 20+ years as a bankruptcy attorney/law professor and didn’t see anything wrong with supporting the Gingrich/Reagan era GOP during that time.
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So you’d be okay with wine cave fundraisers so long as they don’t say the quiet parts out loud?
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So every political thread here is a rehash of hillbilly elegy bullshit by way of yang gang clowns huh
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I think it’s a refreshing change from the non-stop Internet Libertarian arguments about lunch counters and guns.
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To be fair I was never ever a libertarian. Those guys take one or two true things (and they are directly responsible for a lot of the government being dysfunctional) and drape tons and tons of lies over them.
I think inequality is poisoning the economic and political systems. Not very libertarian that.
At least Pete is “honest” about being a neoliberal hell-bent on preserving the status quo (now that he can legally get married).
Warren is still trying to evolve into something for everyone. Her continual political opportunism sounds similar notes to her prior appropriation of Native American heritage. She’s not a bad candidate because she’s a hypocrite; she’s a bad candidate because her lack of authenticity is as obvious as Trump’s ignorance.
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Personally I’ll take opportunistic liberalism over sincere Neolib 2.0.
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Also Liz Warren is way more authentic than Mayor Pete and anybody in the race except Bernie and probably Biden is an “authentic“ bullshitter in some sense. Seems like the only candidates who I’ve seen attacked on authenticity are older women, Harris, HRC, and now Warren. With HRC, her voting record supported the case. Liz Warren was way further to the left than anyone thought would be good for someone with national political aspirations during her first Senate campaign and term. Like a lot of attacks on her, it’s a selective purity test by people who only care about elevating Bernie, for whom you’ll never see the same people complaining that he voted against gun background checks or that he called open borders a Koch brothers plot.
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Unfortunately that fools too many people too much of the time.
Warren is authentic on the consumer protection issues that she is most known for. She was championing those causes long before she became a political figure and they fit well with her own personal background. I’d expect her to do everything she could in that area if elected, or even if not elected. It’s obvious that’s where her true passions are and she’ll continue to fight there no matter what happens.
As for everything else, I think it depends on how well the issue can be tied back to her core values. I think she’d probably do pretty well on healthcare because it’s pretty closely aligned, even if her public stances seem guided by a weather vane leave a bit to be desired.
A lot of the other stuff like foreign policy, civil rights, the environment, etc., I am much less confident.
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