If the economy doesn’t tank, the only big winning issue the Dems have to campaign on is health care and Biden and Mayor Pete got nothing to say on it. The deficit is actually a decent thing to hit Trump on as we shouldn’t be running huge deficits when there is little inflation and unemployment and there’s decent growth. We should be raising taxes and obviously spending priorities suck, but it’s not the time to be running big deficits. But, no one will ever believe the Dems care about that. M4A isn’t the only only thing Dems should talk about, but it’s the only winner. Biden and Mayor Pete have no clear message on it, so all they’ll be able to do is talk about how bad Trump is and Trump will point to the economy and how the Senate laughed off the fake impeachment.
And imjosh’s scenario there is pretty likely or maybe someone they think will pass as a better progressive for VP to throw a bone, but prolly not, they didn’t do that with Kaine.
I’m a legit poor. So my health insurance costs the past 3 years have been something like
45$ a month
75$ a month
15$ a month
Even at that rate, I haven’t got my money’s worth because I haven’t got sick. But I was kind of shocked to see my health insurance rate go down by that much.
But I can see through 45->75->15, but I doubt many others in my situation can.
And of course free market principles work pretty well when the market delivers affordable and desirable options. No one is clamoring for single payer apples and oranges for a reason.
If you don’t read this thread every day you miss a lot. It also makes it harder to pick up on sarcasm, so I can’t tell if you’re serious or not. God I sure hope people here aren’t suggesting Cenk’s comments in the distant past are disqualifying
He has a long history of saying extremely stupid podcastbro stuff. He’s either really dumb or deliberately provocative and replacing Katie Hill with a toxic dudebro is such a bad look for progressives.
I agree people will buy into these talking points even thought it’s far from true. Wtf does the economy doing well even mean? That the stock market is performing well? My guess is that those most hurting don’t participate in the market and they’re still having to work two jobs to make ends meet. I’d say Dem messaging sucks, but it’s what they want us to think. The only ones who seem willing to call the economy a bullshit indicator is Sanders, Warren, and maybe Yang
Cenk Uygur has fought and championed for real progressive causes for years. If you’re not going to allow someone to ever be, or say, something stupid when they’re young, you’re going to be left with a very weak and thin field on our team
He’s apologized profusely and deleted his old blogs BEFORE anyone called him out because he figured out on his own he was an idiot back then and admits it! Progressives can’t keep doing this shit and eliminating true progressives because of some past mistake. We lost a great senator (Al Franken) because of it. Meanwhile, Republicans never turn on themselves no matter how gross the misconduct was. And we wonder why we’re losing
This part is true but saying Uygur’s fuckups were stupid things he said when he was young is a bit silly when some of the things were fairly recent and said by a man in his early 40s. Cenk probably has more value as a behind the scenes type organizing things than acting as a lightning rod as one of 435 other Members of Congress.
Surely there has to be a progressive in California who isn’t having affairs or constantly saying dumb shit. We managed to swap out Franken with someone who doesn’t grope women, it can be done.
Tbh… I’ve stuck up for his show TYT because it can attract the right people and I enjoy the range of progressive’s he has on all the time, as it folks I would otherwise not know… The Comedic girls are great like Aida Rodriguez, John Iodarola and the rest are all good peeps.
Unfortunately Cenk comes across as bash and in your face type and that’s what he’s good at, playing the I ain’t letting it go… So he is needed imo to back up our great speakers which he is not 1, Cenk has helped to push the narrative more than most and will cushion some of the blows for them and imo that’s his best place is to take hits for the left and defend us at every turn.
Cenk is best when challenging the likes of Rodger Stone and Alex Jones types… And that’s needed more than folks like to admit imo.
We need Cenks because we need his unrelenting progressivism… And to show that folks can change and come together.
I know I’m not going to convince you otherwise, because you’re fully wedded to this lie, but Cenk isn’t constantly saying dumb shit. Those 25 examples Victor went through were the entire oppo research file on him, a guy who is on air with no script for three hours every weekday for the last 12 years or so. And most of those examples as Vic mentions were complete bullshit with no substance behind them. Also Franken probably didn’t grope anybody.
I apologize then because I might not be up to date on his recent gaffes. I know he used to consider himself a conservative and did a hot or not back in the day. I just respect what women like Ana Kasparian have to say about him. I doubt she’d stick up for someone who didn’t have respectable progressive values and has zero doubt about Cenk’s vigor to advance progressive causes
As for Franken, I’m still not aware that he groped anyone. There was one pic that was a stupid tasteless and very poor joke. Jfc I’ve had women put their hands on me in ways I’d be scared to death to do the same to a woman in the same situation. I think women should always be believed as a default, but it’s got to be crazy being a politician or high profile person who people want to take selfies with. I also feel it’s a bit demeaning to think women aren’t capable, strong enough, and/or can’t stick up for themselves in a public setting by calling the person out if they’re uncomfortable having an armed placed around them. It can be taken too far and I think a lot of this, particularly in Cenk’s case, is mostly the neolibs trying to oust a real progressive
This story is about Bernie’s focus on opening people up about their economic problems instead of treating it like a source of shame
But also lol this part, Bernard the Beast
“They’re like, ‘Look, we’re gonna have to put him in the cath lab,’” Rabin-Havt says. Jane, seated to his right, hasn’t even heard this part of the story yet. So they got him in the cath lab. The doctor asked, how much pain are you in on a scale of 1 to 10, which Bernie rebuffed as a useless question.
