US Kills Soleimani in Airstrike

Saudi Arabia is about 20% Shia. They just executed a bunch of people including Shia clerics and teenagers who were involved in the protests in Qatif (Qatif - Wikipedia) .

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I’m not sure how to articulate this, so surely it will come off poorly and I’m about to sound like some anti-American terrorist, but:

I hope that there is a significant response by Iran to this killing, and something that the American public is able to actually witness (so if it’s cyber attacks, it needs to be cyber attacks that cause something visible/physical, like power grid shutdowns). The American public’s response to this event (and the potential future outcomes of it) are absolutely abhorrent, and I do not want there to be a precedent that we can just go around the world killing foreign officials and committing war crimes indiscriminately*. Just imagine if America sees no consequence from this and then Trump wins reelection–what won’t he do?? I obviously don’t want harm to come to anyone, but shit I at least want people to fear harm in some real way that can be brought up next time this happens.

*Some will say that there is already a precedent for this and they’d be right, so I’m probably being stupid and naive here.

That’s another convenient benefit in all this: we’re not talking about Bibi’s corruption anymore are we?

The good news is that other than Russia Trump has no friends. I 1000% believe that the Chinese messaging around ‘at least we can manipulate Trump’ is pure bullshit, and they desperately want Washington to return to sanity so they can get things back to normal.

This is the best opportunity to damage him any foreign country has seen yet, and I doubt very much all those powerful people are going to just pass on it.

Serious Q: Is killing a high level military official during war* a war crime?

*loosely defined, but S was killing and targeting US soldiers

Why would they want things functioning normally in DC? The turmoil Trump is causing is allowing China to step in and fill the foreign policy vacuum and increase their influence around the world. If DC starts functioning normally again, that all stops.

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Also by “significant response” I assume you don’t mean US civilian casualties?

They explicitly said in their post:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1214170432603086853?s=20

Cross Post from the Florida man thread

The economic wreckage in China is real… and nobody in Washington was really stopping them from what they wanted before.

Super powers (and make no mistake that’s what China is) do not want an unstable world. They like the world stable. Chaos is a ladder and the people standing on the platform that ladder leads to have zero interest in it existing.

Russia wants to be a superpower and they are happy to destabilize the planet to get that status back. That’s why they are generally speaking on the anti stability side of every event from the last 5-10 years.

Iranians killed 700 American soldiers in Iraq, that makes them terrorists.

200,000 civilians died in the Iraq war, what does that make us?

Liberators?

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Yeah I think it’s pretty safe to say that we stopped being the good guys in Vietnam, and that we lost any semblance of being the good guys in Iraq 2.

And that read requires you to ignore all of our history from 1600-1900.

My use of “war crime” is far less loose than your use of “during war”

We assassinated a foreign leader and there was no formal state of war. Call it a crime, call it a war crime, I don’t care.

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bombing cultural sites thing is totally disgusting and there should be more criticism of it in the media beyond it being illegal.

it is completely fucking ignorant and shows a complete lack of class/culture/intelligence.

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Soleimani would certainty be a legitimate target if a state of war existed between the US and Iran. A state of war doesn’t exist between the US and Iran though.

Yeah… I used to think a lot more of the media before the Trump presidency. They’ve really been exposed badly. It turns out that the right wing criticisms of ‘left wing media bias’ were completely wrong. It’s centrist media bias, and it’s an insanely strong force that covers things entirely on the basis of the effect it’ll have on the power and bottom line of the ownership class/political establishment (really two sides of the same coin).

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In case anyone doubted who was actually winning the Trump presidency…

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ilangoldenberg/status/1214000990967472130

We aren’t at war with Iraq or Iran.

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