Ukraine, Russia, and the West

https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/1499084861172297735

https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/1499090188169007110

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catchy war jingle

New thread for the derail.

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Euros lose their minds when Americans think the ‘West’ begins at NY.

Midwest is France, right?

But the funny thing is, by breaking out the most pro Russian parts of the country they turned it into a western facing country. if all of those separatists in crimea were still voting in the elections it is a thin margin between zelensky and a pro Russian strongman. So If we are playing realpolitik in that way Putin basically ensured Ukraine would never become a Belarusian style country with the annexation

Vermont and New Hampshire have stopped selling Russian liquor at their state run liquor stores.

Didn’t realize until today that neither Smirnoff nor Stolichnaya are Russian. Stoli is distilled in Latvia, and Smirnoff is distilled in Illinois of all places. Neither of those are affected by this ban.

https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1499067053793234958?s=20&t=TjAJFtsHSHxFhmFzVFmvFw

We got him?

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Yep my parents both preferred communism. One was a middle class Krakowite and the other a working class rural person (more surprising that he preferred communism).

They’re involved in the Ethiopian civil war. There are accusations Ethiopia is letting the Eritrean army commit atrocities in the rebel areas.

Maybe. I assume Russia is going to take the bits of Ukraine it wants to keep and withdraw the army to those bits after a few weeks or months after they encircle and capture or destroy as many Ukrainian army units as they can. Maybe depose the current government and install a pro-Russian strongman? A general who surrenders a big chunk of the army and then takes power? I don’t know. I can’t see them occupying and trying to annex all of eastern Ukraine though. So the sentiment of the remaining bits of Ukraine would be very pro-western, I agree. But the Russians are probably going to say something like any move to the West or substantial rearmament will trigger another invasion. Would pro-West rump Ukraine stand up to that threat and engage with the West anyway? Who knows.

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1499088993736138754

Kasparov has been dead right about Putin from the beginning. He thinks if Putin is allowed to take Ukraine unscathed, the next attack will be on a NATO country, but on Putin’s terms.

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1499089250213666826

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1499089762560397323

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1499090764579672068

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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1499120829837230091

Why should we stop with Ukraine?

fifa has removed all russian teams from fifa online and fifa mobile games.

oof that hurts

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1499083675463467009

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https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1499119462099738628

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https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1499120711146917890

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1499120713399250946

Crazy - British citizen has to hide out in the Australian outback so Putin can’t get to him.

Sanctions could, and should, be worse. The West needs to wreck the Russian economy so badly that carpet-bombing Moscow might be a more merciful response.

Sorry if this was posted already:

https://twitter.com/mschwirtz/status/1499114918661996550?s=21