rofl, no, we weren’t. I said something bad about the Russian navy that has been a spectacular failure, likely due to poor training and old equipment, then Churchill came in with a stupid ass troll, per usual.
As badly behind the times as the US military is, at least we’re not like the UK sending guys out there with pikes as if it’s the Middle Ages. They’re all like “Give us a kiss, love, I’m off to give the Dauphin a proper racket wiv’ me pokey-stick and me floral top hat.” And some of those guys look old enough to have fought at Agincourt. Inexcusable.
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then you responded
then Churchill responds
then someone crys
then Churchill gets a temp ban
… per usual.
I have sunk
the boat
that was
in the Black Sea
and which
you were probably
using
for air defense
Forgive me
it was vulnerable
so antiquated
and so old
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Yesterday I read that China was testing Taiwan’s air defence again. I also wached a documentary about the rise of China’s navy(which has now more ships than the US navy) from our french/german tv channel. Then you have the limited help of the West for Ukraine. To make it short: I fear if China attacks Taiwan and the USA wont intervene it will start a new nuclear arms race because I think every major country on earth will realize they will only be safe if they have nuclear weapons.
I think I was talking about if Americans were actually directly fighting Russia in Ukraine here. Yes, that would be incredibly dangerous, far more dangerous that what’s happening now. That’s not what happened though. Which is good.
I’m not familiar with these statements. Putin’s statements on 2/24 regarding Ukraine can’t really be read this way. When did Putin ever say that all of Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia? At the beginning of the war he wouldn’t even say that they were trying to conquer Donbas!
I never said that Russia not meeting their objectives in the north would lead to nuclear war. I didn’t think that, and I don’t think that. I said that if Ukraine pushed Russia out of Donbas and Crimea, areas that they probably think of more or less as Russia, that could lead to serious escalations that are dangerous and unpredictable. I think Russia would only use nuclear weapons if their core interests are threatened. Whatever they were hoping to accomplish in the north wasn’t a core interest. Losing control of Crimea? That’s very different.
Great. There’s no indication that continuing this support in the same manner is going to suddenly elicit a nuclear response, outside of your unfalsifiable oligarch whispering.
Incredible. When Putin says he’s just trying to liberate the Donbas (and also sends tens of thousands of troops to Kyiv to try and capture and seize it), we must take Putin at his word that he only wants to take the Donbas!
Russia is so steadfast in their claim to the Donbas that they can’t even define a border for their claim after they announced annexation. Ukraine has already hit targets in Crimea, resulting in zero escalations. They’ve hit targets in places that everyone agrees is actually Russia and still haven’t generated the escalation you assure us is eminent.
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You said that Putin/Russian elites said that all of Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia. What are you talking about? When did they say this? I’m not taking Putin at his word, I’m just saying I’ve never heard him say what you said he said.
I’m not talking about what Russia would do in response to a missile strike here or a drone bombing there. I’m talking about how Russia would respond if they think they’re going to permanently lose control of Donbas or Crimea. I think that’s when the dangerous escalation might happen.
Here, from Feb. 21:
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Not yet, but they’re very close. In ZZ’s map, the magenta and orangish-red territory is basically what Russia had seized earlier.
That’s the same speech I linked to. He didn’t say anything of the sort. Could you quote from the transcript the section you’re referencing?
He gave one address 2/21, and another 2/24. You’re looking only at 2/24, while the NBC article I posted has quotes from 2/21. But even in 2/24:
The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape.
But from 2/21:
I would like to emphasise again that Ukraine is not just a neighbouring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space. These are our comrades, those dearest to us – not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties.
Since time immemorial, the people living in the south-west of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians and Orthodox Christians. This was the case before the 17th century, when a portion of this territory rejoined the Russian state, and after.
It seems to us that, generally speaking, we all know these facts, that this is common knowledge. Still, it is necessary to say at least a few words about the history of this issue in order to understand what is happening today, to explain the motives behind Russia’s actions and what we aim to achieve.
So, I will start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik, Communist Russia. This process started practically right after the 1917 revolution, and Lenin and his associates did it in a way that was extremely harsh on Russia – by separating, severing what is historically Russian land. Nobody asked the millions of people living there what they thought.
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People can judge for themselves if the quoted section is different from this:
I think he’s clearly saying that parts of Ukraine next to Russia are Russian. And those regions have the highest concentration of Russian Ukrainians. If you think he’s talking about Western Ukraine? No point in arguing but I really don’t think so.
Like this part is talking about Lviv? I doubt it. Probably the areas that voted for the pro-Russian candidates in past elections. The east and the south.
Since time immemorial, the people living in the south-west of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians and Orthodox Christians. This was the case before the 17th century, when a portion of this territory rejoined the Russian state, and after.
LOL
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Russia’s actions clearly indicate that they think they’re entitled to Kyiv, and they’ve stated the intention to take the entire southern coast up to and including Transnistria. If you think my statement is falsified because of the possibility that Russia decides to leave alone a fragment that might still end up being called “Ukraine” around Lviv, lol, ok.
I mean, geez Keeed, that Russia can annex the entirety of Ukraine, and no one should do anything about it, except the Ukrainians, maybe, if they want to, is literally your position, and you’re having me dig up quotes?
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Not lifting a finger to prevent this is of the utmost importance
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1578188802836791296?t=MtGivGA1JCsWipQLQOyfNw&s=19
Biden also challenged Russian nuclear doctrine, warning that the use of a lower-yield tactical weapon could quickly spiral out of control into global destruction.
“I don’t there is any such a thing as the ability to easily use a tactical nuclear weapon and not end up with Armageddon,” Biden said.
It’s problem.
Speaking to Democratic donors, Biden said he was still “trying to figure” out Putin’s “off-ramp” in Ukraine.
“Where does he find a way out?” Biden asked. “Where does he find himself in a position that he does not not only lose face but lose significant power within Russia?”
It’s problem but it’s Putin’s problem.
The above end game put forth as reasonably probable among many is Putin withdrawing the Russian army to defend him against a looming coup seems plausible.