Oh what so now facts matter? Funny how that works
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I don’t agree with your point but the meme make me LOL anyway. I tip my hat to you, sir.
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I am merely a conduit.
FOR RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA HA HA HA BURN!
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It’d be better if wookie or I were defending the report as definitely true at all, but I’m not here to stop a chuckle.
rofl Sy has the same reaction I did to this horseshit and we have the pleasure of hearing his live reaction
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I don’t think anyone here knows enough to justify a strong opinion. Like how much explosive was used? (Estimates range from ~100 to 1000 lbs?) What form was it in? (People say shaped charges, but how do they know? Were these linear or conical? Hersh says “C4 shaped charges” were used, which seems like an oddly specific detail and though I’m not an expert, it isn’t clear C4 makes sense. Maybe he just means a generic RDX compound.) How and where exactly were the charges placed? How was it detonated? What specific skills and equipment were needed to place and detonate it?
Did you known the Russian have armored trains (@21:55)?
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It’s like two inches of steel wrapped in five inches of concrete. The gas inside is at like 200 bar. Lowering explosives from like a winch sounds harder than diving. What do you have a ROV like from the Abyss down there showing you where the winched explosives are? And you’re doing this with six dudes not associated with any government operating from a fifty foot yacht? That’s like the size of Tony’s boat on the Sopranos. It’s ridiculous.
Shaped charges are commonly used to punch holes in steel pipe and cement layers in oil and gas wells. And the amount of explosive doesn’t have to be very much, certainly not hundreds of pounds. The concrete isn’t much of an impediment unless it increases the standoff distance too much but 5 inches isn’t much. Otherwise, concrete-armored tanks would be a thing.
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I’m not saying that hundreds of pounds were needed to breech the pipeline, but the Swedes or Danes say that hundreds of pounds were used. Based on seismographs or something.
Also IIRC the water carries explosive energy much more efficiently. At least, that’s what I remember from mythbusters.
If they had that much explosive, they didn’t need shaped charges. The Danes or Swedes might be guesstimating an amount of TNT that would register the same way on their seismographs. So reduce the amounts by a third or so for high explosives. Otoh, how much did the bursting pipe contribute? Did some amount of gas burn and contribute energy to the explosion? Did they take this into account? Beats me. The estimates vary by a factor of 10 though. Likely everyone is speculating based on very little real information. That includes you and me.
Wouldn’t the use of more explosives than necessary indicate more likely done by amateurs? Like special ops type guys could be more precise and use less. If it was amateurs I wouldn’t be surprised if they were supported by CIA, but this makes more sense to me than the Hersch story
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