Ukraine Invasion 2: no more Black Sea fleet for you

Can we not?

If the US has a racial disparity in deaths then that’s interesting and relevant.

If you want to disagree and share facts that disprove it. Great! Weve all learned something

If you think the comparison diminishes what Russia is doing, then say so. Theres an interesting tension between recognizing what Russia is doing while discussing the real problems and yet comparative strengths of the US.

I really dont get why this needs to be so vitriolic. Just chill.

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Should probably edit in FirstTime.jpg

https://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwc10.htm

This article has some more nuanced and interesting stats on black deaths in vietnam.

At the start of the war, black men were 11% of the young male population, but made up 20% of the deaths. The deaths rates changed over time (allegedly) because of protests that led to a change in policy.

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What about the enemy? Why are you spreading MIC propaganda?

You don’t think that if leaders shared in the personal danger of a war they’d be less likely to wage one? The old men who lead us to war should be the first ones over the top.

Nuclear weapons caused a long hiatus in wars between great powers, exactly because all of the sudden those leaders were at risk just like the rest of us.

Thanks Rugby :v:

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Well here it is

Putin is threatening to nuke the United States. I guess, as true leftists, we have no choice but to concede the sovereignty of the US government and accept whatever genocide and domination Putin wants rather than risk nuclear annihilation.

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I was laughed away from the damn grill at Benihana when I said this same thing!

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someday in the future, Sarmat is going to stand inside the kremlin, like Tsar Cannon, never having been attempted to fire, and a symbol of kremlin’s backwardness for ages to come.

Wouldn’t the old men be worse fighters? Way past their prime imo.

As a true leftist yourself what do you think the USA should be doing?

Ignore Russia’s nuclear bluster for what it is, pure grandstanding, and continue to do right by the Ukrainian people by giving them arms and other supplies to fight back against genocide.

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I’ve maintained long before Ukraine that humanity will likely destroy itself, or at least much of itself, via nukes. We’ve already had some close calls, and they won’t stop. Trump or the next guy or the next could have had some amphetamine induced psychosis, or whatever. Things with low probability are inevitable given enough trials.

If Russia wants to destroy humanity, that’s the price we pay for understanding how nature works, and it became inevitable the day Rutherford bombarded gold foil with radiation. There should be an international ban on nukes, but Russia would never allow that. Who knows, maybe only a few billion will die. If it doesn’t happen in 2023, it will happen in 2043.

We can’t let threats of nuclear war excuse genocide or every maniac regime with nukes can do whatever it wants.

OK but the higher the tensions are between Russia and the US the more likely one of those close calls or false alarms leads to war. With several of the most serious close calls, the thought process was “this doesn’t make any sense, let’s settle down here.” If tensions are high enough it becomes, well, makes sense, and the nukes start flying.

Putin should have considered that before he invaded Ukraine. He could withdraw tomorrow, but he keeps digging the hole he’s in. All the force of will in the world doesn’t turn a bad hand into a winner.

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I’m sure he did. As William Burns said, Ukraine is the reddest of red lines to the Russian elite, and the West meddles there at the peril of the world. Not that the neocons in charge of our foreign policy care.

I wonder what Putin thinks about this nuclear football malarky. Some trigger happy dude following the Pres round with the button. In a satchel. Hi-Tech stuff. Reckon the football still works? Against hypersonic?

We can’t let the concerns of a kleptocratic petrostate dictate the aspirations of humanity. Putin is even more of a conspiracy theorist than Trump, always blaming the west, but it’s clear that Ukraine, like basically every other nonauthoritarian state, wanted to join Europe and had multiple color revolutions in support of that.

If Russian wanted to maintain influence on Ukraine, it could have developed so that it’s not terrible, but it’s been terrible for 500 years and no former KGB agent was going to change that.

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