I mean he’s not trying to seize power. You’re right that if there were no roadblocks to seizing power he might try to do so, but there are tremendous roadblocks, there’s no way it’s going to happen, so he isn’t.
And Trump’s attorneys now calling on those Rs to be executed for failing to help with the coup. And those Rs and their families now getting credible death threats as a result.
Go back to your daddy so you can next tell us how the REAL DANGER is Ds loosely using the word coup.
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It’s not a nitty point. Many seem to be thinking that Trump seizing power is some sort of realistic threat. It’s an absurd idea and misunderstands what he’s actually doing. I don’t have a trivial difference of opinion with all the people saying Trump is doing a coup, it’s a fundamental difference of opinion.
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but does HE see it that way?
his intent is to stay in power. he’s checking the doors and not smashing the windows, but his goal is to take the silverware and leave the faucet running on the way out.
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It’s an attempted coup
Already
You know this
Already
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who hurt you?
That’s what I’m arguing. It’s a show to rile up his supporters, not actually an attempt to fight to hold power. Still obviously reckless and harmful, but fundamentally different. It’s about 2024, not 2020.
…but if the door opens…
Except my problem with people saying it’s a coup is that Trump isn’t actually trying to hold on to power.
If the lawsuits succeeded it would be legitimate! They’re not succeeding because they’re incredibly bad lawsuits with no merit, but if they were good election lawsuits with merit and succeeded, I mean, that’s just the normal process.
The term “self-coup”, or autogolpe, is sometimes used to describe the scenario where lawfully chosen leaders attempt to extend or expand their powers through illegitimate means.
Does this term used by some scholars mean with your approval?
In his mind, they are “Trump judges” so should have declared him the winner regardless. Just like Brian Kemp is “his governor” and now an enemy of the people for betraying him. His outrage at them is not fake.
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Of course that wouldn’t meet my standard for legitimacy. I’m saying the current federal court system is legitimate. It’s rejecting Trump’s dumb lawsuits because they are baseless. It would be very obvious if we had a judiciary that was interested in rigging the election for Trump and it’s very obvious that we don’t.
I suppose I should have directed that at Keeed.
The current federal court system is a disastrous mess and teetering on the edge of purely political as we speak.
Filing election lawsuits in legitimate courts isn’t an attempt to seize power. It’s trying to win an election, that’s the process, and it’s legitimate. And filing a bad lawsuit isn’t a coup or an attempt to seize power, it’s either overestimating the strength of your legal case or a PR move. I think with these cases it’s probably mostly the latter but it certainly could be the former.
If Trump corrupted the courts and was able to get the election overturned with sham lawsuits, that’s obviously not legitimate and is a coup or whatever you want to call it. But that’s very clearly not what has happened here.
What? Of course it doesn’t. Trump didn’t corrupt the courts. Filing election lawsuits in legitimate courts isn’t an illegitimate attempt to seize power, even if the lawsuits are baseless.
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Exactly
It’s a coup
Right now it’s an unsuccessful coup
Let’s hope it doesn’t turn into a successful coup.
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‘Frankly this is a case that we would like to get to the Supreme Court. So we’re prepared in some of these cases to lose and to appeal and to get it to the Supreme Court,’ Giuliani told Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo Tuesday.