Eat my ass, congrats, you got to troll, and all it took was letting everyone know that you dont give a shit about those who have it worse than you. Bravo, son.
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People are going to find the world difficult to navigate when skeptics are treated as the enemy.
Im sure all those who were âskepticalâ about gay marriage were treated as the fucking enemy too. And look who won that one.
lol, hereâs where youâre bad faith is plain. You clearly have tons of animosity towards trans people, at least the uppity ones who want to play sports with and like the women they know themselves to be. Youâre clearly angry about them! You have no animosity towards some trans people, but only trans people in their place, the ones who donât want to butt into spaces where you donât want them and where you can comfortably forget about their existence.
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So, no limiting principle? Just dismiss the hypo as impossible?
edit: Questioning someoneâs gender identity is a thought crime? Has any trans person ever later decided they werenât trans? If not, or if extremely rare, that would be good support for the notion that gender identity should never be questioned.
Same question to you as the other guy, what genetic advantages do you think should be excluded from sports participation entirely?
Now whoâs arguing for edge cases 
Why do we allow really fast people to run against slightly less fast really fast people in sports.
Fucking weird.
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But again the idea simplicitus cares about the sanctity of childrenâs and womenâs sports is pretty far fetched. He is just a sad bigoted moron. The end.
Yes, of course. Not a lot, but the few are of course bandied about by haters to try to claim that being trans is a mental disorder instead of a way of life. Youâd know this if you even just bothered googling. Youâd also know, that if you sat down and talked in good faith with a trans person about their lived experience, the overwhelming majority would tell you that they felt they were living their whole lives as a lie before they transitioned despite wanting to conform due to the unbearable societal pressure to just conform.
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Imagine going through the hate Lia Thomas did just to win some ultimately meaningless college swim meet event.
You have to be enormously dumb to think she did it for that reason and not because of the real reason.
If I were a lawyer in a trans case, I would think, âcase looks pretty good, but we need to figure out this sports issue, because if we donât weâre gonna get clobbered by the jury.â
As with any issue, the hard work should be done where one is losing. Gay rights and marriage equality won on the basis of sexuality not being a choice, so itâs âunfairâ to discriminate against gays because they were âborn this way.â IMO, as someone who is not invested, the best way for trans rights to advance is to find a way, if there is a way, to make the ânot a choiceâ argument. The preferred way, however, seems to be to argue that people who donât fully accept trans are bigots, but thatâs not an easy row to hoe.
Hi, this is me doing this to you.
You seriously think people are transitioning just for fun or to gain advantage at meaningless sports competitions?
Do you realize how idiotic your starting premise is?
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This is a species of ânot a choiceâ argument, so is Witchitaâs. It may be a winning argument. But I guess you need to win with people who think itâs a wrong choice (most anti-trans) and people who are skeptical of the validity of any identity (just me afaik).
The study you posted doesnât say anything about TRT, because itâs not talking about TRT, which is âtestosterone replacement theoryâ. You made a claim about TRT and then posted something about people taking a ton of gear. TRT patients typically take 75 to 100mg of testosterone enanthate, but the people in the study you cited took 600mg.
eta: âSupraphysiologicâ isnât a word I had ever noticed before, but itâs here in the title of the paper: âThe Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Menâ. I had heard about this before though, from Dr. Mike Israetel.
If your opinion on trans people rests on ânot a choice,â Iâd recommend reading any of a bajillion autobiographical or biographical works by or about trans people, or sitting down and talking with someone about their lived experiences. Coming in hot with lots of opinions and not a lot of knowledge about trans people playing sports is the opposite of looking receptive to hearing a life story.
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My understanding is that TRT means like 100-200mg, where people who use steroids for weight lifting often take 500-2000mg. In any event, any nontrivial amount of exogenous testosterone is significant for muscle growth if exercising. Just look at Robert Kennedy, who is obviously on TRT.
I wouldnât know how you would know if someone is on testosterone replacement therapy by looking at them. Supposedly people can have a pretty good idea if someone is juicing from looking at them. I donât have that kind of steroid radar myself, but Iâm not that skeptical that people who are around it a lot can tell.
At any rate, the study was about athletes (like body builders), not people taking replacement level doses.
One of Fukuyamaâs main points in the End of History and his later works is the centrality of thymos (âmanâs desire for recognitionâ). From the nature of the âargumentsâ presented above, that seems to be a significant issue in this debate. To not recognize the validity of trans people is a form of disrespect, a denial of the right of recognition because that is who they are. I think thatâs also a serious version of the âborn this wayâ argument, but I think it needs to be presented better than I have typically seen (not being particularly interested in the issue), and I think delineating limiting principles (if any) is generally a good idea.