The War on Voting

You’re too ridiculous to engage with anymore. I’m done.

Good luck with that if you ever have a psycho roommate. It’s pretty much the worst thing ever.

Lol indirectly judging - you told me I was the height of privilege.

While comparing you to my wife… so can’t hate you. Its just this constant discussing situations where you can imagine yourself as the murdered landlord but never, ever the potentially homeless person and what emotions they must be feeling.

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Murder is not justified because of eviction. Period.

Regardless of your views on whether property should be allowed to be owned and whether landlords should exist, and regardless of whether it’s a good or bad landlord in question, murder is not a justified solution. We live in a society in which property can be owned. If you don’t like that, try to get the rules changed. You can’t just go killing people for playing by the rules. And this was not some revolution, this was cold blooded murder, straight up. No two ways about it.

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Ok, but I could write the same thing to say you can’t murder the Nazi guard who is using his rifle to push you into the gas chamber. (This is something that lots of pacifists genuinely believe.)

This is a big point of contention for the pacifist and nonviolence arguments.

Requiring someone to pay for shelter is violence, it is enforcing “laws” with a stick, and you will be forcibly removed and dumped on the streets if you don’t pay. That video that was circulating from Houston of that cop who was like “yeah it’s sad, I have kids, but it’s my job to put kids on the street”- yeah, you get to defend yourself against that guy.

Most of this disagreement is going to be about what is termed violence. But landlording is done at gunpoint even if you never see the gun.

Plus when you murder your landlord, you get socialized public housing for a few decades.

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You’re trying to equate eviction with a gas chamber? That’s ridiculous.

Let alone a potential eviction that’s being discussed but not yet physically happening. This is a disgusting equivalency.

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What is needed obviously is a cultural revolution.

The Nazi guard discussion is a common point of contention in the debate over pacifism. I’m trying to figure out where the lines are drawn.

Eviction is not the same as being walked off to immediate death, sure. But you don’t get to say “society has rules, if you don’t like them change them” to justify why someone throwing you out on the street doesn’t have to fear any consequences. Like, cool, I’d like to change the laws, how? Who writes them and whose benefit have they been written for, the landowner or the renter?

More to the point, these are no longer an option for me when the man comes to kick me out.

Isn’t there a thread for anti-capitalism generally, and the specific case of landlords specifically? This thread is called “The War on Voting.”

Please?

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The 2018 Georgia ones were the worst, because my understanding was that it didn’t save any kind of additional record of the actual vote. Every legit electronic voting machine has a paper backup that you can review before hitting submit.

IIRC a bunch don’t have paper backups. Like I think Wisconsin did and Michigan didn’t. Or maybe PA.

The frustrating thing to me is finding out ANY information about the Wisconsin recall Jill Stein paid for. Did they even look at the paper ballots? Good luck finding that out.

And even when you do have them, like KS - good luck looking at them. Some professor sued to see the paper ballots in KS - over the weird potential vote flipping statistical anomaly that showed up all over R primaries and in some GE places. Court said nahhh. KS instantly destroyed them.

I had the worry while I was running last night that maybe in past elections absentee ballots could have been rejected on technical grounds at relatively high rates, but these technical grounds were rarely ever enforced.

Dictatorships the world over love paperwork and process because they introduce a mechanism to selectively enforce regulations (due to “incomplete paperwork” or some other clerical error). The ability to get really, really nitty over a surge of ballots that are going to run 60%+ dem seems like a gift from above for republicans.

Feeling quite pessimistic rn.

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This is preposterous. States should be forced to archive voting records and open them up to analysts at least. Especially given any unusual circumstances.

We really need some kind of mechanism for calling a new presidential election outside of the normal time. The problem here is it would be massively abused by Republicans. Maybe trying to write it in limited fashion like the Supreme Court must agree that there was real and obvious shenanigans in a state that swung the election. I don’t think it matters how much time has passed, the president is illegitimate.

I know there are massive problems with this because it can be gamed, but the system we have now is going to allow Trump to declare victory and the SC says well we can’t redo it and we just don’t know, sounds good to us. And we have no recourse besides impeachment which is both impossible and doesn’t even do much if it weren’t.

Republican Ohio Supreme Court justice:

Georgia, come on down! No voting at UGA. These motherfuckers. Uh, vote at the football stadium? Problem solved.

That shuttle is going to be more dangerous than anything else would have been.

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Gosh, I know most of these people, and that’s my home drop zone. So cool to see this.

(video done by the inimitable Craig O’Brien, who was the freefall videographer for that insane sequence from Mission Impossible: Fallout)

https://twitter.com/WhenWeAllVote/status/1306669252342984704?s=20

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That’s so sick, especially remembering at the end that’s a person who’s passing through the O to shoot the video.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/uga-reverses-course-and-will-allow-on-campus-voting/ANJHNVYYWBDTRI4OAWGBRDYPHI/%3FoutputType=amp

A significantly worse location than the student center, but it’s much better than nothing.

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yeah, that’s Craig, he’s probably the top of the heap right now in that small niche business.

check this out. Yeah, it’s a Tom Cruise love fest, but you can see some great shots of Craig and what he did.

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