It’s the “lower benefits available per immigrant” part that throws me because that sounds like immigrants are getting less benefits than non-immigrants.
He said a person or segment. So some immigrants will be a net user of services, but that can be more than made up for by other segments.
And not that they get lower services, but just that they are net takers of social services.
There’s no arguing that, if you can successfully do this, filtering out the unproductive immigrants would be better for social service provision in America.
Not what I’d want. I don’t want to pay someone with a gun to let mom, dad and the kids in while sending back grandma.
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Ok, that’s true if immigrants are a package deal. The choice isn’t between 0 immigration or open borders. Another approach could be to accept everyone except the terminally ill.
Or to pick up what microbet posted right above me: you could admit family units including grandma but not terminally ill grandma if she comes alone.
The economic/productivity facet of this argument is getting way too much attention, both in real life and in this thread.
How about we just accept the Guatemalan refugees because it’s the right fucking thing to do?
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Obviously this is all a theoretical argument. In the real world @JohnnyTruant is right, and it will be a miracle if we locate the separated children and get them to family members and that’s it. We’re not getting M4A or UBI or open borders.
Johnny made a WWII speculation…I’ll make another…I wonder if some liberal Germans in 1943 were talking about open borders and letting Jewish refugees into Germany from Russia and the Ukraine so they could not get Pogrommed.
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It seems pretty obvious that a society where we all had a little less money and stuff but weren’t having literal concentration camps at the border would be better.
What isn’t obvious is that we would actually have less money and stuff with open borders. Our current immigration policies are not only brutal and inhumane but the arguments I see here about UBI/M4A are just a watered down version of the THEY TOOK OUR JERBS South Park meme.
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So you are against M4A and similar programs? As that goes for a huge number of people who are citizens here now?
Since generational Americans are on a whole incredibly lazy and unmotivated, I am always for an influx of hard work and accomplishment:
What about all the immigrants who pay in much more than they take out. I know you don’t think everyone who comes here is a deadbeat looking to suck off the test.
American exceptionalism exists but it is almost entirely immigrant driven.
Give me 1000 immigrants versus your 1000 third/fourth generation Americans, give them the exact same resources (education, environment) and my group will crush the other group. Add difficulties equally to both groups and my group crushes even higher.
To be honest I am not really concerned if some of them have medical bills. Plus people act like it is super easy to qualify and get welfare handouts in this country. None of it is easy.
Finally, most people coming here are motivated to make a better life for themselves and their family. People just looking to get handouts are not the type who are going to be motivated enough to do it in the first place. As with all things there are exceptions.
Let’s get all the good people before someone else wises up and takes them all.
Just an aside, I can’t tell you how many American doctors I know who would not even be allowed to visit this country if they hadn’t already come here.
Obviously they all need to be injected with the 5G tracking chip, but that goes without saying.
Haha fuck this guy, good sign.
https://twitter.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1351653966527004685?s=21
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You both have the same goal and are clearly acting with a good heart. It’s counterproductive to assume because you disagree on the “how”, he is morally reprehensible. It’s also disingenuous to assume this when you know it’s not true. NBK is not an unknown commodity. He is obviously moral. He just thinks there is a different path toward a goal.
Not going to lie, this is literally from the right wing anti immigration playbook.
Stop acting like every person coming in would be a net negative. You know that is not true.
Although maybe we should boot all current net negative citizens out to make room for positive immigrants.
You sure?
Looks like we have our first scandal of the Biden administration:
It doesn’t exactly comport with his “regular Joe from Scranton” persona, but beyond the politics of it
What a fucking rag.
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Presumably they can connect to the internet. And now that the dems are back in charge security matters again, for some strange reason… (I didn’t bother reading it but that’s my guess.)
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Trudeau doesn’t really believe that campaign promises are meant to be kept.
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Peloton bike is $1900
Joe, do the right thing and give us enough to buy one
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What are we gonna learn next? That Joe has a boat with a Trump flag?
A $2,000 exercise bike. The implication is that it’s an impractical, overpriced gadget that only coastal elite Bruce Waynes can afford. Meanwhile, the Ohio diner patron they’re projecting these guilty pleasures onto owns a $2,000 Wilson Combat AR-15 or three.
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Not to mention it’s like a year and a half of a normal family gym membership. I have one and I’m neither rich or really into exercise much. It seemed to makes sense to cancel the gym membership and get one.
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