The Television Streaming Thread: Part III

[RiskyFlush]

Excellent point.

[Melkerson]

@WichitaDM

Some of the best tv shows and movies either start with the ending or are depictions of historical events where we know the endings. Saying BCS is flawed because we know some of the ends of the character arcs is a super weird take.

I’m repeatedly saying that BCS is great. I’m just telling you what puts it behind BB for me.

[Ikioi]

Enjoyed both BCS & BB immensely, but the difference to me is that while I look forward to rewatching BB at some point, I don’t know if I can put myself through BCS again.

Part of that may have had to do with being able to binge BB while watching BCS as the episodes were released. Might be a more enjoyable experience if watching BCS at binge speed.

[RiskyFlush]

Star Wars prequels are a great example for how to do it poorly. It all felt kinda pointless knowing what would happen to Anakin, but that’s because so much of them were poorly executed.

[WichitaDM]

Been watching The Gilded Age because I am pretty much out of shows and it’s an 8 on IMDB. It’s not my usual type of show but I actually did like Downton Abbey so sure lets try it.

I’m about 6 episodes in and I think I’m punting. Zero likeable/interesting characters and it’s so fucking boring.

For anyone who has watched it is there a point to continuing?

I’ll ask the same thing about My Beautiful Friend. Monster IMDB scores but its just so boring I can’t get into it.

[Melkerson]

@LKJ

@Melkerson

When you don’t know how something ends, you both discover how something happens and also remain in suspense over the result.

I get what you’re saying in general obviously. But: it’s a not-infrequent filmmaking choice for a movie to start by giving away some key piece of the ending we’re navigating toward before jumping back chronologically. Do you take the stance that this always weakens a movie, or do you think that can be a good choice?

The critical part is “some key piece”. And it’s very deliberate. In this case we have much more than that. It’s not like they made BB knowing that BCS was going to be made after. If they had done that, BB would likely have been different. But in your movie example, the revealed information is carefully selected before any content has been seen by anyone.

[Melkerson]

@WichitaDM

Been watching The Gilded Age because I am pretty much out of shows and it’s an 8 on IMDB. It’s not my usual type of show but I actually did like Downton Abbey so sure lets try it.

I’m about 6 episodes in and I think I’m punting. Zero likeable/interesting characters and it’s so fucking boring.

For anyone who has watched it is there a point to continuing?

Not really; it’s mid. I watch it because the wife likes it. Right now we’re down to “Those are some pretty great period costumes!”

[King_of_NY]

@Melkerson

Saul in the known column

no, he wasn’t

@Melkerson

Lalo pretty much has to die.

no, he didn’t

TV version of hindsight bias with this

[Melkerson]

@King_of_NY

no, he wasn’t

Come on, man. We know Lalo isn’t going to kill him and sometimes it’s downright inexplicable that he doesn’t.

[King_of_NY]

@Melkerson

We know Lalo isn’t going to kill him

Idk what you’re responding to bc I didn’t say this

[Melkerson]

I’m saying that we know a very important thing about Saul that diminishes the suspense to some extent. I can’t tell if you agree with that or not at this point.

[King_of_NY]

you said something about Lalo a second ago so you’re all over the place with this.

but to dumb it down even further, BCS was about how Saul became Saul and learning what happened to him after BB ended. knowing his BB story doesn’t take away from any of that. made it that much better actually, but ymmv

[CanadaMatt3004]

Throwing out Arcane as a suggestion if you havent seen it

[Melkerson]

@King_of_NY

you said something about Lalo a second ago so you’re all over the place with this.

You really need to just read the posts.

This was the conversation

Me: I’m putting Saul in the known column
You: No he wasn’t.
Me: Come on, man. We know Lalo isn’t going to kill him and sometimes it’s downright inexplicable that he doesn’t.

After that you seem to be confused and I can’t understand why

[darkandcoldak]

Did you watch breaking bad as it aired or afterwords?

[Melkerson]

@darkandcoldak

Did you watch breaking bad as it aired or afterwords?

I didn’t discover BB until it was about 2+ seasons in. After that it was pretty much as it aired for everything else.

[King_of_NY]

repeating your same point isn’t making it more reasonable. knowing Saul survives until the BB timeline is not the negative you want it to be

[Melkerson]

@King_of_NY

repeating your same point isn’t making it more reasonable. knowing Saul survives until the BB timeline is not the negative you want it to be

I wasn’t repeating it to make it sound more reasonable. I was repeating it because you were claiming to not understand what I was saying.

[King_of_NY]

still not reasonable

[RiskyFlush]

I defer to Melk, but I don’t think he was saying that aspect makes BCS objectively worse. He’s just explaining why BCS is not as good as BB for himself.