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For teh doubters
This conversation started with mosdef saying this:
So I was arguing that it didnāt work on the level of straightforward story.
Also while itās easy to get pejorative about āsports movie clicheā, Iād argue that story structure is a good thing which exists for a reason and itās generally a good idea for straightforward stories to follow it. I doubt youāre about to mount an argument that Queenās Gambit is high art that doesnāt need to bother with that training-wheels shit.
Still in mid-watch of The Undoing but:
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Many detectable accents in this episode. For a trial in Manhattan there sure are a lot of people from other countries.
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Regardless of anything else these people are terrible parents lol
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Pictured here, a production still of Nicole Kidman:
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lololololol they edited Toobin out of the episode but still have his voice talking about the case.
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Savage.
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IMO Episode 5 of The Undoing was:
Shark-jumpingly bad. The whole thing with Hugh Grant being responsible for his sisterās death, the call with his mom (by the way, ānone of us isā and ānone of us areā are both acceptable uses), the reveal that the kid saw his dad flirting at school (foreshadowing!), blah. Kidman being a therapist and the insight that might give her had apparently been given up on, thank God, then we have scene with Donald Sutherland āIn your professional opinion, would killing his sister make him more or less empatheticā¦ā. I posted the thing about them being horrible parents before the end of the episode because of them bringing him to court and abandoning him at the table at the restaurant (they would not have gone out to eat at a restaurant after court under any circumstances anyway). And sheās supposed to be this wise therapist!
So now I guess that Hugh Grant really did kill her, but the kid is somehow involved, which will prevent Kidman from revealing what she found.
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Lol i think you have all valid points there. I thought the thing with her finding the murder weapon, while shocking, is a bit much really. I donāt think the kid killed her, maybe he found the murder weapon and hid it on his own or his dbag dad told him to hide it and he did cuz he loves his daddy. It was also quite obvious when she goes into the room thats what was going to happen. I thought the same thing about them eating at the restuarant after court haha.I feel like the whole sister story was just to show heās a sociopath and make viewers lean hard into āhe killed herā.
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Reluctant to use spoilers, since this is getting The Affair level bad and honestly who cares but I guess someone might.
Were you supposed to laugh when nicole found the murder hammer in the kidās room? Because I laughed a lot. Man I hate everyone in this show but actually Hugh is starting to kind of grow on me.
So I think that Hugh probably murdered the lady and the dumb annoying kid walked in and then saw the dead lady and Hugh was like oh hey she was just like that. But, uh, here take this hammer and donāt throw it away or anything, just keep it in your closet or whatever. Donāt tell mom! And he did this because heās a sociopath and heās planning on using his son having the hammer as a defense. So next episode heās going to take the stand and be all well actually my son did it and he has the hammer. Sad!
Iām pretty sure this whole dumb show is just a recycled plotline from one of those dumb HUGE TWIST David Kelly lawyer shows.
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yea i think you are pretty close here.
Also they search warranted the house though in first EP i believe, so the hammer didnāt go straight there, but i think youāre mostly right about how it went down.
The kid definitely didnāt kill her, that whiny little baby lacks the upper body strength to smash the ladyās head in.
Also can we talk about how this murder lady and her husband were poor, salt of the earth folks who, uh, kept a second apartment for the lady to do her, uh, artwork. Kept a second apartmentā¦in Manhattan? To do the sculpting? As poor, salt of the earth folk do. Was anyone involved in the writing of this show worth less than eight figures?
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They are in harlem actually but your point still stands.
ah, ok. Still. Withing walking distance of Nicoleās house. COME ON. What would that sculpting/boning apartment be, $2500 a month?
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yea none of the Nicole walking by her apt randomly makes sense either, will be interesting to see if the kid somehow got over that way by himself as well.
In the first EP i believe when Nicole asks Elena if she wants a ride home I believe Elena says no a car ride will take 30 mins, subway is much faster. Although I guess thats from wherever that fundraiser was being held, but I donāt see how its possible that Nicole/Elena live anywhere near eachother so not sure how Nicole is out randomly walking by her place and not sure how the kid will find his way there if indeed thats how it turns out but I guess the writers said who cares?
Also yea that kid wouldnāt have the strength or the will to kill her.
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Upper west side and Harlem arenāt that far from each other, if she really likes walking. But even in todayās New York City I think it stretches credibility that a rich lady is walking around like that at night.
Well it seems we agree the show pretty much jumped the tracks. Just so many details that donāt make sense. Also, has it been answered why Donald Sutherland spends so much time in that museum?
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I believe itās time for us to make a dedicated Undoing thread without spoiler tags.
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I have something of a different POV on the stuff you donāt like LFS. That stuff is catnip for me. I love the stuff you hate :P
I have thoughts about what is most likely going on. Itās a genre convention they are leaning hard into. Itās totally a theory though. They may yet surprise me, but so far they are telling this story according to the psychology suspense formula.
Parsing what Iām trying to say. I will start an Undoing thread later if yāall are on board. Would love to discuss more movies, shows, and books like this if yāall are game.
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start it up
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