2024 could be the last chance to vote in a meaningful way. But let’s go through 15 years of Nazi rule.
2 Likes
I plan to vote for the progressive challenger to
Biden and then evaluate, but it is going to be real real hard to pull the lever for him again and he gets boat raced by DeSantis anyways. Dems really need a better candidate. None of this deferring to incumbent for unity bullshit.
My vote wasn’t even counted in 2020.
Had to send an emergency absentee ballot since my actual absentee ballot didn’t arrive until one day before the election which was extremely late for voting from abroad.
And when I got the absentee ballot, it was only for president. It didn’t allow me to vote for any other races.
I really have no idea, and will probably vomit and vote for whichever milquetoast eDem that ends up winning the favor of the big corporate donors, but it definitely does seem like the democratic party is never going to move to the left without a strong incentive.
As far as the Nazis go, what if it’s 15 years of bonkers Nazi rule and then things correct to a long period of progressivism vs competent/slightly less bonkers Nazi rule for a much longer period?
Again, I really don’t know. But I feel like there’s a saying about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
2 Likes
I think it’s a clear move to not vote eDem in a non competitive state.
Vote harder next time.
6 Likes
Maybe in all caps this time. VOTE.
5 Likes
Considering how 12 years of Nazi rule turned out I think we can safely conclude this is a really horrible idea.
9 Likes
One part of the problem is that the party brass is gonna find a way to convince themselves they’re doing nothing wrong, regardless of what happens. Dems get completely wafflecrushed in '24? “Oh the economy was trash we had no chance no matter who we ran.” Relatively close loss with high turnout on both sides? “We’re obviously on the right track, just gotta send out more fundraising texts next time”, etc. etc.
Just primary the fossils. When they start getting tossed out of office that will be the incentive. Trump showed us that you dont need corporate donors. Get the tik tok generation voting at 80%.
How does acceleration hypothetically lead to the America we want?
Probably won’t. Maybe will be helpful for the rest of the world on the climate change front if the USA gets screwed up enough that its economy shrinks by half or w/e and gets weak enough that other countries can begin to sanction/ostracize.
1 Like
We lived through Trump once. Yes it will be worse the 2nd time. But. How else do we get to a legitimately progressive party willing to fight for progressive policies?
I don’t have other ideas of how to create a more progressive party that is also viable.
I think you need to primary incumbents to get more liberal candidates. Just losing elections won’t do that. That could cause them to move more to the right.
Disagree
The tea party was a grass roots movement. The republican establishment doesn’t want QAnon running for political office and they didn’t want Trump. The Democratic party is never going to voluntarily offer up more liberal candidates unless they are forced to do so by the voters through primaries.
Primarying incumbents has been tried repeatedly and mostly been a failure. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be tried but it hasn’t really been anything but complete failure.
Dems have done a good job of purposefully sowing anger, apathy and discord amongst the left half of their base by basically rigging primaries in one way or another. And no i don’t mean they change the votes. I mean they do stuff like Super Delegates, pay Pete to drop out of a primary he was a frontrunner in, actively support pro-life candidates, Republican candidates, actively demonize and blame progressives and on and on.
The entire debate here is a microcosym of the issue. One side is saying vote harder, primary harder, vote blue no matter who. The other side is saying hey wait a minute none of that stuff works, and even in the rare times it has we don’t get anything we wanted anyways. Both sides of that have ar least somewhat of a point.
I’m still fully on the side of keep voting for the best people you can. But it’s hard not to be discouraged and really wonder if that is helping anything. And like everything the shitty Dem party does that’s purposeful. They want progressives to feel like that. That way they aren’t really having to fend anyone from the left off. They can keep doing nothing and lining their pockets.
4 Likes
Yeah, this.
The “incumbent advantage” is not only for the general. It is even more massive in the primary. Nearly insurmountable.
Yeah, but the other side wasn’t able to get what they wanted either. Politics is not just about getting what you want, especially when the other side is so far from the mainstream: it’s about keeping them from getting what they want.
Yeah I’ve been thinking a lot recently about whether the American fascist state in 2024 gets economically isolated if it starts going absolutely nuts on social conservatism, anti climate change legislating. I mean I’d hope the rest of the (for now) democratic world acts
Edit: then again china
Yeah still unclear, but the worse it gets hate the more likely the rest of the world cuts us loose.