Which group are progressives more like? I am asking sincerely. It’s not like I take enjoyment out of making these posts.
My personal experience is that I’ve met quite a few Jack Mormons.
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Being “culturally Catholic” is a big thing. Many of them atheist.
It’s not exactly like non-religious Jewish people, but maybe the closest thing to it
Take Jack Kerouac. Every time someone would ask him if he was Beat, he’d just answer, “I’m a Catholic.”
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Yeah, that phrase popped into my head too. There’s diversity and disagreement and dissent that’s hard for outsiders (and I count myself) to see.
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1521932395749990404
Uhhh yea. We’re going to go to advocating for states’ rights to advocating for a federal ban in approximately 2 weeks.
I always get amused when the person who posted this
loses all ability for nuance when religion is involved.
I don’t care about changing their minds. Fuck them… They need to stop imposing their stupid batshit crazy religious bullshit onto everyone else
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They were on the 2020 ballot, too, and look what we got.
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Religion is as close as you can get to something that is purely bad. The few good things are found outside religion in better social context.
That said I have no intention of getting into a metaphysical debate.
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My anecdotal research is a large family of Catholics who were obsessed with taking care of their children.
My 67 year old mom is now helping raise my nephew. After a life devoted to taking care of others including teaching special needs kids, she is stepping in to help a daughter in law with BPD in a house that also includes my dad who is in the last years of pancreatic cancer recovery.
When I see that devotion and hear people speak of having children as a hindrance (often dressed up as climate awareness), It’s pretty clear to me that there is some merit in the way she lives.
When people say “none of them actually care,” I know it’s bullshit.
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So even if they can’t get a federal ban done, is there anything stopping the GOP from doing something like withholding federal $$ from abortion-legal states the next time they’re in power? I’m not even sure what level of control they’d need for this, definitely wouldn’t need to be a filibuster-proof trifecta or anything.
You misunderstand me.
I’m saying she would act the same if she was not religious. It’s an error assuming she is loving and kind because she is religious. The religion is incidental. Tons of people love similar lives who are not religious.
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It is, but most humans are hardwired to need it. Our lives and our ancestors lives disappearing into the void when we die is too much to bear.
And it’s not like officially atheistic societies (USSR, modern China) have anything but a terrible track record.
Contained religion (Scandinavia) seems to be the best chance of success for a culture.
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I tend to lean into the sociology of religion as the framework for discussing religion in society, a viewpoint that ignores metaphysics or any assessment of the validity of religion. While there may be non-religious individuals, I think the idea of a society completely devoid of religion is sociologically impossible.
Yes we did
This. Religion came before everything. When civilizations sprang up, their religion that had existed for millennia was the bedrock of their beliefs and rituals. When civilizations collapsed, people lost their writing, knowledge of the history, their technological advancements, a huge chunk of their culture. But their religion stuck around, just as it was around before the rise of the great cities.
Even Christian missionaries had to capitulate to pagan rituals like Easter, offerings, icon worship, when they converted natives. People were willing to be ruled and even enslaved if the alternative meant losing their lives. But many died refusing to give up their religious beliefs. It’s just so core to who we are.
Human beings do not like to think bad stuff happens by chance. It’s very unsettling.
Tbf his takes on Mormons are probably more accurate in places other than Utah. At least it seems to me that people lighten up a little on the orthodoxy here.
You should have gratitude that your life experience affords you the luxury of enlightenment.
Some people never had that chance.
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Have you read the text of the actual Roe v Wade decision?
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