When you say “the dems” you mean the 4/271 in this case. 1.5% of them.
Yes. “The Dems” are being led around by 1.5% of their caucus. That is dumb. Call their bluff.
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Well yeah. Biden had explicitly and publicly branded himself as Mr. Compromise. It is only logical that people try to extract concessions from him, he has defined good government as “giving concessions”.
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What’s so weird is that every concession is to the right. Still waiting on some compromise with the progressives.
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How about the other 78% of the package?
Dude I know you like to do this white knighting for the Dems routine but that isn’t a gotcha. I support the house bill in it’s entirety. The fact they are picking away at it for no real reason is my problem. It’s typical Dem negotiating against themselves garbage and it’s exactly the kind of political thinking and maneuvering that assures that people who actually live here are never going to have nice things.
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I dont think this is really fair. We all hate eDem compromise policies, but its probably a net positive to occasionally disrupt the doom scrolling echo chamber stuff.
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He is entitled to his opinion. In this case he is defending this because ITS ONLY FOUR DEMS!!! The only problem with that is it has support from Biden himself:
Come on witchita we are having a perfectly fair discussion. You really need to claim I’m white knighting by pointing about when you say “the dems” you mean 1.5% of them? Then you need to make a jab that I’m not American whatever that has to do with our discussion?
We can have a simple disagreement without resorting to this can’t we?
Some people here are going to cry WAAF until the day Biden rips off his mask and reveals he’s actually AOC in disguise.
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Had a landlord mail something from about 3/4 of a mile away. It was sent, via USPS, a month ago. It arrives today.
GJGE having DeJoy still in there, because norms or something.
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How many times have you come here to say my opinions about Dem incompetence aren’t fair? A lot right? Not to mention all the times with other posters. I don’t think it is much of a personal attack to say you frequently do that. It’s just reality.
I legitimately can’t tell if you enjoy being the devil’s advocate in these exchanges or if you actually believe the Dems are acting in good faith.
ETA- I’m very pissed about how this whole Dems holds all the levers of power situation is playing out. I am not mad at you and I apologize if I am taking it out on you.
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Thanks.
I’m on board with you 100% when it comes to things like the border, military strikes, much of the cabinet, and shutting down the house today.
I just think the stimulus package is essentially the largest progressive funding injection since the new deal and its super weird to see so many progressives acting like it’s a terrible political move. It just seems like we might be missing the forest for the trees a little.
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If they pass DC statehood, voting rights and redistricting reform I DGAF what the hell else they do. Truly, it will be a historic, generational victory. I put the current odds of this at something like 10-1.
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I’d say
DC statehood is like 200:1
Voting right is 10:1
Redistricting is 50:1
(Not offering these odds for an actual bet!)
I guess my anger stems from two things:
What this signals for the chances of accomplishing things like Riverman mentions above, the VRA, reformimg health care, amending the tax code, etc. (It seems based on your above post you agree with me on this)
and
This is just so totally unnecessary. There is no way that Manchin and Sinema are going to tank the whole bill over this. Just tell them to stfu here. The ramifications for 2022 of taking money away from a demographic that is right in the Dem voter wheelhouse is not zero. They aren’t even saving a significant amount of money doing this. It’s just compromising with the worst elements of the party for no reason.
As for the rest of the bill I agree it is good. But stripping the minimum wage increase out and then reducing the amount of people getting stimulus is politically very dumb. Yes I agree the vast majority of the Dem caucus at least pretend to agree with me. When are we going to actually see one of them refuse to pass the bill until this stuff is put back in? They could fight for it too. Biden could fight for it. Instead we get:
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100% of Dems are going to vote for the watered down bill.
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I suspect the March 14 expiry of unemployment benefits is what makes it very hard to refuse to vote for the package among the progressive caucus.
All that stuff in bold is great, but that won’t be the message.
This will be the message:
$2,000
$1,400
means tested $1,400
even stricter means tested $1,400
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Seems like a pretty good reason to force the 1.5% to vote for the good version of the bill.
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