The Presidency of the Joes: more like INFRASTRUCTURE WEAK

Jesus people. Do.not.respond.to.watevs.ever!

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Obviously the immigration issue is a million times more important but to pick some low hanging fruit I would love to hear from the Biden stans why he hasn’t put pen to paper to forgive some or all student loans?

He is aware of the issue and has already signed an EO on student loans. Trump did too. There isn’t a shred of doubt he could do it. It would be immensely popular politically and literally no one would be hurt at all. He ran on it. Why won’t he do it?

Wow! I guess everyone got what they needed with that bill and we have plenty of time to figure out what’s next.

One thing I think Biden should do, especially if he wins another term is that towards the end, he should focus on neutering the power of the presidency. Here’s the game plan:

  1. Do a bunch of shit that that GOP thinks is egregious
  2. Force them to pass a bunch of laws saying president can’t do that. Encourage bipartisan support behind the scenes.
  3. When Trump 2.0 eventually wins presidency they will be hamstrung.

And of course the “shit that GOP thinks is egregious” will be stuff progressives have been clamoring for.

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My understanding is his ability to forgive debt via EO is not as clear cut as you are saying.

He also can’t fire civil servants. It’s a really bad angle to say “lol trump did it and faced no consequences”. One of the goals here has to be restoring some semblance of rules as to how the executive branch operates.

I’m not saying dems should give up on everything because of “lol norms” but firing civil servants has real implications I am not sure you are considering.

Right people should respond to a scumbag who says shit like this

He should do it and dare the Republicans to challenge it in court. It’s not only the right thing to do but politically advantageous. The Dems are always wringing their hands about the political calculus of doing things but that is disingenuous also as they don’t even really attempt to do the popular things either.

Firing civil servants who are disobeying his immigration orders seems fine to me tbh. Making civil servants somehow immune from normal consequences seems insane to me.

Come on, man. They won’t be hamstrung at all! Only the next Democratic President will be hamstrung. That’s the benefit of having six Supreme Court justices and base of rabid cultists.

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I think I agree re student loan debt although I am not super educated in the matter.

As for firing civil servants I really think that is a very dangerous slippery slope. So many types of civil servants have to have some type of security. We can’t want a world where the hundreds of thousands of civil servants rotate every 4 years with the political winds.

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Well the context of my comment was IRT someone saying it isn’t Biden’s fault ICE and whoever else are violating his immigration orders.

In my mind that isn’t the political hatchet job that you seem to be fearing (and I agree is bad). It’s simply firing someone refusing to do their job.

The problem is the judiciary is backing up ICE so far.

This is the real problem we have that still doesn’t get enough attention. The 30 year effort of the right to stack the judiciary has made it so difficult for progressives to get even the most basic things accomplished.

I don’t really have any idea how to fix this that won’t take decades.

Pot kettle black, I gave him a tempban, and personally I find calls for people to ignore someone or posts about how someone is on some poster’s ignore list (either ignore them or don’t - this is the opposite of ignoring them) to be more offensive than calling someone a name.

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Not sure how this would work, but it seems bad if you have a lot of people believing their debt has been or is about to be canceled and the Supreme Court rules “jk not really.” I also dispute “politically advantageous,” but we’ve had that discussion here multiple times already.

He is not on my ignore list. And also, seriously give me a fucking break with your insane false equivalence. :roll_eyes:

If it’s equivalence I’d be banning you too wouldn’t I?

It might turn out that way, but I still think the strategy is +EV.

Even if the next GOP pres has to wind his way though the courts to ultimately win, those kind of speedbumps have some value.

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The ignore feature is great and people should be encouraged to use it.

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Yeah because you know you ain’t got shit to say to the fact you never do any constructive here or try to help organize to reach our shared goals.

And yeah, when you never post solutions or how we can work together to stop it, it’s whining even if I agree with everything you’re saying.

You ever watch a movie where there is one character just constantly whining and complaining about the fucked up situation they’re in but never posing any solutions? Yeah thats you. Them being right about the situation doesn’t change how unhelpful and insufferable they are.

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Generally yes, but they should not go around telling everyone else who they should ignore. Ignore people whose posts you don’t want to see and really ignore them.

Like gregoreo has half the forum on ignore. You don’t see him blasting that ignore list everywhere. He just ignores those people. Be like snoreo.

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I don’t see how this ever works given the he only has EO all of which can be instantly reversed. The kind of roadblocks you are talking about would take the house and senate to pass which as you know…lol.