I’m not worried about the voters nearly as much as I’m worried about the voting.
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Obviously this. If you could magically assume a totally fair vote you would be nuts to not shovel money onto a bet on a Biden win.
lmao very important to make that comment at the rnc. otherwise the rest of their policy positions seem cruel
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I get so tired of seeing eDems ‘crushed’ the left wing like they said, ‘here’s our candidate and yours, Joe Biden’. The eDems didn’t want Joe. They put Bloomberg up because they thought Joe was incapable and unelectable. The truth is the voters selected Joe. If you want something to hate, blame the voters for not taking the chance you wanted them to or for not being as far left as some here want to believe they are. The left wing you describe just doesn’t have the numbers yet, but it is growing and things are changing…too slowly…but it is changing.
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Lol that Biden isn’t the establishment choice. Bloomberg was just running to try to get to a brokered convention.
But…who here thinks the American electorate doesn’t suck?
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This a scorching hot take. Smoldering. I mean this is why checks notes Mayor Pete, Amy, and Tom Steyer absolutely did the hardest to win Super Tuesday for themselves, right?
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It wouldn’t suck so bad if we voted by say, weighting issues that matter to us then having an algorithm pop out “Congratulations, you voted for candidate X.”
I know you know more about voting systems than I do.
Obama stayed silent throughout 3 years of trumps many desecrations. He only popped up to shaft bernie behind the scenes. Obviously the left doesn’t have the numbers and the bernie plan of bringing in some of the 60% of people entirely checked out of politics didn’t work but those aren’t independent variables.
Just like a lot of people here, a lot of the eDems thought Joe was senile. If you want to believe they were behind him, that’s fine, but it’s not true. It was only after South Carolina (which was an outcome everyone with half a brain expected) that the eDems got on board and not a moment before.
This is far more about the voters than who the eDems wanted. You give voters no agency for the direction this country is headed right now by thinking things like this. There wasn’t a single voter here who was interested in Biden in 2020, even though many here probably wouldn’t have had a problem with him as the nominee in 2016. But here we are…
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Former presidents are supposed to stay silent. Trump wrecked that decorum and you would never hear a former president disparage the current president the way Obama did last week unless Trump happened. There’s a reason why some of the war criminals we’ve had get away with it, but Trump’s much less likely to just walk out into a normal life after this.
If Obama came out and said, ‘vote Joe’, that would have tipped the scale in Joe’s favor. He’s not from the same wing of the party as Bernie so I have no idea why you’re even talking about him trying to ‘shaft’ Bernie behind the scenes. If he doesn’t believe in Bernie’s ideals, of course he’s not going to advocate for him. That’s a problem with Obama, not Bernie’s ideals if you want to go there.
I think Obama hoped one of the younger candidates would be able to take control of the primary but there was too much splintering inside the party. I said very early on that every single faction of the party (even outside of the party) was represented by the primary candidates. This was the first election in my lifetime where anyone in the party could find a candidate to align with. The problem is it was too fractured. Bernie’s entire angle was trying to get 30 percent of the vote and parlaying that into the nomination as a plurality. That’s not really a great strategy, sorry. To this day, I fully believe if Bernie had won on Super Tuesday that the DNC would have come behind him full force (just like Obama). To think they wouldn’t try to stop him before that day doesn’t make any sense. That doesn’t change that it all still rests with the voters. To me, this kind of talk is saying that the DNC cheated in Joe’s favor when that didn’t happen as no votes were suppressed.
Who did socialists and the left align with?
Uh, Bernie, but what does that have to do with my statement?
I and people with similar views wouldn’t be aligned with Bernie. We might support him as the best available option, but that’s quite different.
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Are you American?
I’m not but many people with similar views are. Your point is?