The sad part is none of us are really surprised. From the moment Kellyanne Conway pimped Ivanka’s bracelet and introduced the idea of “alternative facts” this is all academic.
Are expressions on this forum are a substitute for actions that we aren’t wired or motivated to currently take or we wouldn’t be wasting time here posting. It means that we haven’t given up all hope yet also.
You’re probably right. And there are probably only two or three justices on the Supreme Court who will rule for Trump absolutely no matter what. Probably.
lol Herman Cain
Yeah we WAAFers have been consistently wrong since 2016. That’s why the Mueller Report got him, the Ukraine thing got him, the kids aren’t in cages anymore, the pandemic is almost over and only a few thousand people died, secret police were not allowed to go kidnap people, and the rule of law is strong and stable.
I mean for fucks sake man there are secret police throwing protesters in unmarked vans and driving them to undisclosed locations and holding them overnight without charging them, then releasing them with no record of the detainment.
But sure, he can’t just postpone the election and thus he will respect that and let it proceed.
Stolen from a right wing echo chamber:
The issue is if there are no elections then D's hold the senate as there are 23 R's up for reelection and 12 D's. If those are not filled, then D's control the new Senate and place a new president pro temp.
Also, D state would hold elections still and submit a slate of electors. If the R states don't, then they have no chance of winning.
I know people love the idea of poking the bear by Trump, but I cannon envision a scenario he or the R's win by a postponed election.
I cant vouch for the veracity of this but a voice of reason from the belly of the beast gives me hope.
Y’all are making a mistake by assuming his endgame is literally to delay the election. His endgame is to invalidate the election. Raising the specter of delay or uncertainty that it will move forward is just part of the groundwork.
There will almost certainly be some form of an election on November 3. And Trump is going to do literally everything in his power to ensure that the election is meaningless, inconclusive, or otherwise invalid.
JFC he can’t postpone the election.
Trump not being held accountable for his crimes is completely different than Congress postponing an election.
Your argument is Trump saying “I hearby postpone the election” and it magically becomes law. That’s not how any of this works and you know it. Be smarter about this FFS.
You’re making the mistake of assuming that Trump has any plan at all. He’s going to try to push every button made available to him between now and then.
More than 50% chance he is just going to say “Dems only won by cheating” and slink off to try to make enough money to pay his legal bills.
What do you think happens after that?
You’re missing the fact that in real life what matters is what the men with guns think and they are not legal scholars. I agree with you 100% on the legal aspect of this, but I’m not close to 100% sure that this is going to play out using those rules.
But read the subtext: the argument being made isn’t, “Trump can’t postpone the election because it’s a scummy, illegitimate, authoritarian power grab and even those of us who usually support Republicans should and will take up 2nd amendment remedies if he tries to undermine our constitution like that.” The argument being made is, “I’m totally cool with postponing the election, except I think there may be some small chance that it leads to a Democrat in charge.”
Show that poster a road map where cancelling the election is guaranteed to keep Rs in charge and I bet that they get on board.
Like what happens when all the red states say “Okay daddy,” and cancel the elections. Then the blue states hold them and Biden wins like 299-30. Then Trump calls voter fraud and calls on state legislatures not to certify the election. As a result, gerrymandered GOP majorities in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and North Carolina refuse to certify.
Now I’m standing outside the state house in Harrisburg getting tear gassed and Biden doesn’t have 270 electoral votes. But an election took place, the Republicans say. They say if Democrats listened to President Trump who in his infinite wisdom and love of America just wanted to postpone it a bit, then Pelosi would have gotten to take over 1/20/21 (obviously they would never allow that but they would pretend it was on the table). Instead, the left wing maniacs had their little fraudulent elections and it backfired.
But an election occurred and nobody got 270 and now it’s gotta go to the House delegations to decide who to elect. The GOP controls more delegations, Trump wins. Democrats are like “Holy fucking shit this can’t be real life.”
Preet Bharara is like “LOL don’t worry they can’t do that.” And all the law bros laugh at the WAAFers.
A couple weeks later a 5-4 ruling from SCOTUS confirms that it turns out they can do that.
Nancy Pelosi writes a strongly worded letter, there are protests for a couple weeks, Trump starts throwing protesters in dark holes with no record of where they are, the rest fall back in line and say “Oh well, it’s only four years.”
What happens to stop this? At what point is it acceptable to freak the fuck out? At what point will 10M people take the streets and stay there and save us?
Cause so far it looks like we’re going to keep being told it’ll be okay right up until it’s over.
I don’t think the US military follows him. I guess a drone army isnt exactly impossible. Erik Prince walking through that door?
I think the people with guns ultimately listen to the SCOTUS and I think Kavanaugh and Thomas are the only two who support Trump no matter how illegal or unconstitutional it would be to invalidate the election.
No idea whatsoever. Predicting outcomes of political upheaval is nearly impossible.
Right, what he’s doing right now is slamming into all of the guardrails to weaken them and test them. He wants to see where the weakest point is so he knows which one to tear down to stay in power. It’s all on the table.
Historians will view a lot of his actions and statements over the last four years as trial balloons to see where he actually gets stopped.
