The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Unconstitutional Slop

Bigoldnit · July 23, 2020, 7:19pm

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1286379752119468032?s=19

wirelessgrinder · July 23, 2020, 7:20pm

we got him?

clovis8 · July 23, 2020, 7:21pm

I’m not saying don’t hold them accountable. In fact I’ve said 100 times there is not enough protest and direct action the day after an election.

I’m saying if your metric for “good president” means there have been none to date, and cannot be any in the future, then maybe your metric is off.

microbet · July 23, 2020, 7:22pm

Then maybe you should abolish the presidency. It’s not working out well.

NotBruceZ · July 23, 2020, 7:23pm

I interpreted it as similar to the argument that you can say that people did or said racists things, but that you shouldn’t say people are racist.

nobody · July 23, 2020, 7:24pm

Or maybe yours that there have been good ones is off. What other president besides Obama were good?

NotBruceZ · July 23, 2020, 7:24pm

I look forward to writing a cookbook on how to make the best baby sandwiches.

clovis8 · July 23, 2020, 7:29pm

I’m saying no president has ever, or will ever, be president and not end up doing something considered bad by some part of the left. If having done something bad means a president is bad there will never be good presidents. That seems like an odd metric to apply.

clovis8 · July 23, 2020, 7:31pm

I’m all for that. Your presidency is a terrible political institution.

otatop · July 23, 2020, 7:39pm

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1282675421541289985

MattyLice · July 23, 2020, 7:40pm

Turns out I can still vote in Florida. Hell yea!

iron81 · July 23, 2020, 7:40pm

To expand on this, the way it works is that people who view politics an an exercise in pushing everything to the left find a couple things that they can heavily slant and repeat them amongst their Twitter bubble until that bubble associates the slant as the core of the presidency.

People have always had trouble imagining things they don’t encounter in their day to day life, the problem with social media is it is easier for people to avoid those they disagree with.

Sogge · July 23, 2020, 7:45pm

VOTER FRAUD itt

nobody · July 23, 2020, 8:02pm

I really don’t get why I can’t think all of our Presidents have sucked. Anyone want to tell me which ones were also good but did some bad things?

anon92450360 · July 23, 2020, 8:06pm

FDR (mostly good but internment camps)?

Sabo · July 23, 2020, 8:11pm

GOAT POTUS. Didn’t do anything in office but die.

MattyLice · July 23, 2020, 8:12pm

Nice. That’s nice.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1286392679232942080

Nononocantsleep · July 23, 2020, 8:16pm

I won’t speak for everyone, but I respect the heck out of your progressive passion while also being flabbergasted by your tendency to jump straight into “you’re a centrist who doesn’t care about healthcare!” whenever someone mentions applying their vote toward the best chance of defeating Trump.

Progressive commitment and Biden-voting are not mutually-exclusive just because they seem that way to you. I think you’d feel less oppressed by the supposed centrist mob if you weren’t so quick to assume we’re all part of it.

Deuce · July 23, 2020, 8:30pm

It isn’t that… I think the problem is that, in the context of this specific conversation, it just cedes the argument to a dishonest Right. Trump said Obama was such a horrible president that it led to his election. When the left says, “sure, he was a bad president,” that grants too many BS premises.

For starters, the people who voted for Trump because Obama was such a “bad” president are not doing so for the reasons progressives might say Obama was deficient. How many people voted for Trump because Obama didn’t close Gitmo? How many voted for Trump because Obama continued drone strikes? I’m going to guess those numbers are close to zero.

They voted for Trump because of Obama’s “socialist” Obamacare. They voted for Trump because under Obama those deviant cross-dressers got to marry each other and use the bathroom with little kids. They voted for Trump because Obama “hurt race relations” when he said this country needed to come to grips with its racist past and present.

Anybody who voted for Trump “because Obama was a bad president” will cite issues that most progressives–even those who would call Obama a bad president, overall–would say were positives from his presidency. So why are we agreeing with them? Why are we ceding dishonest points?

I’m fine with taking the NBZ line of agreeing with them to their chagrin. If they say Obama sucked because he approved of gay marriage, say, “Yes he sucked because he didn’t go far enough. He should’ve made it mandatory for every person to have a same-sex encounter once per month!” “Yes Obummer sucked on race relations; he should have made it illegal for any white person in America to keep more than $1000 in assets!” But of course, that isn’t what we do. They say he sucked because X, and we agree that he sucked because Y

And it isn’t just the generic conservative “they” we’re talking about. It’s racist-in-chief donald fucking trump, and we’re going to grant his argument?

RiskyFlush · July 23, 2020, 8:34pm

I think the thing to do here is not to argue which one was GOOD but which one was LEAST BAD.

That is easy. We will rank them from worst to least worst.

Thoughts on the guy who authorized the first and only use of nuclear weapons in war?