I certainly support Trump’s rhetoric about disengaging from endless conflicts. Of course the reality is different and Trump doesn’t live up to his rhetoric. Ask a Yemeni. Ask an Afghani. And the situation in Syria seems complicated and I don’t really know if Trump did the right thing or not. But I’m definitely not taking the word of Lindsey Graham or Bill Kristol that it was a mistake.
Russia playing a role doesn’t seem like a very accurate way to describe the Birchian fantasies of the more dedicated Putin Did It theorists.
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Removing troops from Syria is fine. Doing it via tweet over the weekend is not fine. There should have been a hard date a year from now so the Kurds had time to prepare.
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Each person who comes forward is another hole in the dam. That will lead to more people coming forward. They aren’t grabbing ‘no ones’, and that will help to get ‘no ones’ to come forward who really have a problem with this but are scared of losing their career positions.
As Hill’s lawyers apparently noted when loling at Trump’s band of incompetent lawyers, executive privilege does not apply to wrongdoing or crimes. They’ve now crumbled that aspect of the whole scheme before the McGahn subpoena decision has even come out. Denny Heck said something interesting yesterday about the GOP whining that the hearing wasn’t public. He essentially said they’re lucky it wasn’t public. That was a shot over the bow of ‘be careful what you wish for’.
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This. Getting them to take down their defensive positions is what makes this so heinous. A soft pull out over six months to a year with continued air support for three to five years is really different than just pulling the rug out from under them.
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I don’t want to speak for Keed, but my impression is that his opposition to Trump is equivalent to Pelosi’s support for impeachment.
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Who elected Trump would be a good thread… But I’m afraid that’s already been decided by the smarts itt on the old 22.
- msm
- GOP
- NRA
That’s it… Russian played the minor role in that the GOP was happy to take corruption for sanctions in return for Bots on Facebook etc.
Cambridge analytical services got Trump elected which is a Steve Bannon GOP operative funded by YOU’RE oligards…
Stop with the BS Lies. Americans with the help of the British got Trump elected. Some played minor roles.
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How much money was funneled through the NRA to the GOP and the tRUmp campaign from Russia?
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The Russian efforts were broad and involved more human assets than just money… but yeah. Their efforts worked because of a variety of choices made by people in the good old US of A. The Russians deserve some blame, but certainly not a majority of it. The reason why the Obama WH didn’t go harder on the matter was that they felt that saying out loud that they were worried about it was a bigger risk than the actual efforts being carried out by the Russians.
They probably weren’t even wrong. It’s just that the Trump campaign message worked a lot better than expected and everything that could go wrong for HRC did.
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Let’s start with Erdogan doesn’t live in Syria.
Quick check on Russia’s GDP when they hacked Estonia’s elections in 2007? When they invaded and annexed Crimea in 2014? When they sent in Russian regular troops to fight Ukrainian forces in the Donbas, like at the battle of Ilovaisk later that year? What was their GDP when they intervened in Syria and ended up flying about 10,000 sorties bombing civilians to keep Assad’s regime alive? What was their GDP when that one dude ate a polonium sandwich, or when they sent to cyclists was it to use a nerve agent to attempt to assassinate a Russian dissident on British soil?
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Hopefully enough to make it possible for the DOJ under the next AG to shut them down completely.
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Yeah it’s not linear tho. Russia have far more impact relative to there GDP than almost anybody else. (In fact I’m having trouble thinking of anyone but the US and China having more)
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Probably? But would that have been enough to deter Ergodan? Would that just have prolonged the reckoning and endgame that was going to take place between Turkey and Syria? Was a US president ever going to ultimately back the Kurds over Turkey?
The threat of US air strikes is enough to stop Turkey and Russia from doing anything at all. We don’t have to fly a single sortie to do it either. They simply won’t test it (the last time the Russians tested it they used third party mercenaries and hundreds of them got killed for zero gains). You’re underestimating the apocalyptic force of US airpower vs conventional armies. It’s basically the only thing our enormous military industrial complex is good for.
We did the same with Ukraine. Give up your nukes we will protect ya!
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1184135271396364288?s=19
https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/1184143408727842816?s=19
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Keeed is a pure troll and has been for years (put him in the category of ‘boy who cried wolf’ to the point where no one who has a lot of experience with him knows if he’s being serious about anything he says). He’s basically whatever Glenn Greenwald tells him to be. Keeed has probably said almost zero bad words about Trump, has spent hundreds of thousands of words defending his policies/downplaying Russia, etc., and I can’t even remember if he’s said even one word about whether he thinks impeachment is appropriate (he’s defended Pelosi on it multiple times). Also, I’m 99 percent certain that he said at one point on 2+2 probably shortly after the election that he doesn’t vote (would actually be happy to take an L on that if I’m wrong).
I know this is an odd thing to say, but Keeed was essentially 2+2’s version of Trump. He’s a guy who knew he was a joke, then he was in on the joke, then he forgot he was a joke, and now he’s all in on what he was joking about not realizing it’s not a joke anymore. He’s lost in whether he’s a troll or actually believes anything he says, just like Trump is, but he’ll never admit it. This is all to say that the best position to take on SK is that he’s either trolling or being a contrarian. He’s defended so many of Trump’s policies rigorously that he might as well be a Trump supporter.
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Certainly the EU as a group and maybe Germany on its own. As to your point though, no question this is true. But the Russian scaremongering that took place during the Cold War was vastly overblown and destructive. And now we’re seeing a revival of the same Cold War mentality. Which is not great!
Yes, Russia is influential. But we don’t need to oppose their every move around the globe and worry about countries falling into their sphere of influence. That’s a destructive cold warrior mentality.
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@ kre8tive this^^