https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/1169949275679285250
ITT sure
This is probably a bad idea because Republicans are going to say any impeachment proceedings are purely political anyway and anything the Dems do that makes that seem true is shooting themselves in the foot.
The closest example we have to go on is Nixon, and the wiki about the impeachment hearings against him already has a lot of parallels to whatâs currently happening, the biggest one to me is:
That was about 7 months after the Senate hearings started, and what ended up getting the public on board with impeachment was:
- Administration officials admitting the White House had recordings of everything Nixon had done in the Oval Office at a televised hearing
- The Special Prosecutor subpoenaing the tapes and being denied by Nixon claiming executive privilege
- The Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon ordered his AG and Deputy AG to fire the Special Prosecutor and they resigned instead, leading to Robert Bork firing the Special Prosecutor and appointing a new one
- Trying to get the new Special Prosecutor and the Senate investigators to chill, the White House released the âexpletive deletedâ transcripts
- Finally the executive privilege claims were heard by the Supreme Court who unanimously ruled Nixon had no claims of privilege and the tapes were released July 30th, 1974. On August 5th the âSmoking Gunâ tape where Nixon said âAll right, fine, I understand it allâ to someone saying the FBI investigation was going in âdirections we donât want it to goâ
The transcripts were a big deal then but if we look at the reaction now itâs downright quaint:
Basically the problem seems to be that everything that got the public worked up about Nixon has already been done by Trump to no response.
Holy fuck
Today I learned that nunnehiâs impeachment analysis is fact-based, and mine is entirely about feels. 
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Quotes from people actually involved=fact based
Quotes from inside your own head=âfeelsâ. Youâre better than this.
Quotes from politicians = fact based?
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Why do you bother with any of this? Youâre a nihilist man, just admit it.
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If anything, my closest friends often tell me Iâm too optimistic about various things - women Iâm dating, sports teams I root for, politics in the past. Iâm seeing it for what it is.
For Godâs sake man, weâre putting kids in cages, families in concentration camps, banning Muslims, sentencing kids to death by deporting them despite medical conditions, the administration is flaunting subpoenas left and right, this guyâs been impeachable since Day 1 and the Dems havenât made a single strong move since they took the House, the Dems promised us tax returns on Day 1 if they took the House and itâs been like eight months with nothing.
Theyâre pissing on us and youâre telling us itâs a delightful mist drifting in off the beautiful ocean thanks to the lovely tropical breeze. Iâm just reminding you that, nope, itâs yellow.
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And YET, youâre advocating no oneâs doing anything, it appears you donât want to do anything, and are saying every politician is lying. Thatâs nihilistic. There are a whole lot of people in Congress who are actually trying to do things about what youâre talking about, but you ignore them, downplay their significance, whatever.
You arenât even remotely optimistic, in my opinion. Basically saying that the Democratic Party is exactly Trump and that its leaders will go on TV or be interviewed by newspapers and lie exactly like Trump is messed up. Youâre part of that group now that says both sides are the same, whether you want to believe it or not.
And if you somehow think that Iâm downplaying anything, you can fuck right off with that. Your mischaracterizations and gaslighting of me are incessant.
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Iâm not advocating for doing nothing, Iâm telling you whatâs happening. A lot of the Democratic politicians arenât lying outright about this, theyâre just wording it in ways that allow people who are being naive or delusional to interpret it the way they want.
Leadership runs the show, specifically Pelosi.
Not at all what Iâve said. The Democrats are just cowardly/incompetent on this. They donât have the guts to stand up to Pelosi (at least they havenât shown it so far), and theyâre using the wrong strategy politically.
But Iâll go ahead and let you have the last word, I wonât respond ITT after this post, because someone has to be capable of ending this argument for now⌠So go ahead and tell everyone how pessimistic my feels-based take is, and how Iâm detached from reality while youâre the Edward R. Murrow of impeachment analysis, and THIS time is the time the Democrats arenât going to pull the football away on you like Lucy and Charlie Brown.
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Please, please, please take this to the Pelosi thread.
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They are going to make the âits politicalâ argument no matter when we impeach him.
I think the reason the public can be brought around is because we havnât had hearings yet.
Given the senate is in enemy hands, the âtrialâ should be conducted in the house.
Having an impeachment vote , kinda takes the house out of action, which i think is bad.
Lots of high profile hearings over next year or so, in the house.
Of course the courts are involved, so it kinda revolves around when rulings come down.
These hearing , like with the nixon hearings, can change public opinion.
Just this pulled quote right here shows how much of an asshole you are. I sincerely hope Iâm right about whatever happens, just to watch you eat this pile of shit you spewed on me for months for ZERO reason. I mean what in the actual fuck are you trying to accomplish with what youâre doing here in relation to this? And at this point, I couldnât care less if Iâm wrong about timelines or what would happen, Iâm absolutely on the right side of history on this and that is not going to change. Your original idea was just like Pelosiâs, just so you can remember that.
Good job having this massive argument 2-3 effing days before the people return from a SIX week recess. We even bumped the thread where you could talk about this for real, but you just had to keep it here. Yes, Iâm the bad guy.
Are we doing alright on the Census question? You did a debate exactly like this over that.
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Hi yâall.
Please ignore Nun. Itâs an amazing feature. Let him scream into the wind all day.
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Sorry for the outburst. I donât believe that anyone in this particular pissing match is an idiot or bully and wish you wouldnât imply they are in your replies. You lose credibility when you go there. The beauty of written replies is that you can read them, consider them, and delete them when they cross the line. Again, I apologize for the name calling.
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I appreciate you saying this.
If you are the perpetual target of someone who clearly is intending to silence your views, thatâs a bully. Cuse doesnât think heâs a bully, but he is absolutely bullying me, and has been doing it for months. He does it in the form of drive by spewings intended to âembarrassâ me. He rarely ever engages me with an argument that we can break down, and just insults me continuously. He thinks itâs lighthearted. It for sure is not. To say that I donât have the right to feel that way about his continuous behavior like this for probably close to 4 months despite asking him to stop it numerous times is actually condoning his behavior.
Fathers and Sons by Turgenev is solid.
Cuse responds to the substance of your post and you call him an asshole and he is the bully.
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