I’m not exactly sure how that relates to my comments. Can you expand, I am not following.
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In a terrible sign, my mother, who hates Trump and would never vote for him, nevertheless sees some press conference this morning and says it finally looks like Trump might be acting Presidential. Luckily she’s a lifetime party line all the way down the ballot Dem, but impeachment and everything being a Chinese hoax, including COVID, and all the rest of the absurdity is not going to matter in November if there’s even an election.
Really? Trump won’t even know whether or not logistics and health care get bailed out or whether the bailout bill has something that authorizes the NSA to shoot lasers at you from space.
Got it, lol. I lost track of what post if mine you were replying to. I need to off UP and do something else.
No worries. If you click the little icon of your avatar on my post it shows you the post I was replying to.
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It might be a watershed moment, but it might be the best opportunity since 9/11 to exploit a crisis in order to transform society. The framing begins now (or, rather, it has already began) for making the case that a progressive view of the role and size of government is the correct one.
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Could go the opposite way too, straight into the arms of fascism. Scary.
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It really is. My guess is people just naturally tend to rally around a leader at times like this. Bush was 90% approval or something after his 9/11 speech.
If Trump actually got out in front of this thing somehow and was doing well from the beginning maybe he’d be at 70% or higher right now.
Hell even I’d be like - I still hate Trump, but man he jumped on this early, made sure we are running 10k tests/day, sent out the right messages to make sure everyone knows how serious this is, shut things down when needed, etc.
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That’s just variance.
If you think we’re doomed if we don’t change course, then why not take a shot at winning instead of guaranteed failure.
Narrator: it did not transform society
This is way more significant than 911 in terms of disruption. As potent as the 911 imagery was, almost all Americans were BAU within days. Sure, 911 created a multi decade long foreign policy boondoggle. But a domestic catastrophe is much more likely to drive changes in behaviour and social attitudes. It hits closer to home, literally.
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You’re definitely trolling at some level. It’s a little subtle.
The “size of government” think is a bad faith criticism of Democrats by Republicans. Of course the reaction to 9/11 was a big Republican expansion of the size of government. The idea that liberals or progressives are necessarily just “government should be bigger” is a caricature.
It’s our duty to keep pressing the idea that no matter what Trump does from now on, we say that it is never enough, that he could have done better, that Obama would have done better, that any Democrat would have done better. He should never get credit for anything good and all of the blame for anything bad. Tit for tat, just like Republicans have treated the previous administration.
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If I’m trolling, it’s at the level where I hate libertarians with a passion and refuse to agree with them on anything. I would be more likely to punch a libertarianbro in the face than a hardcore Trumpist.
Maybe. It’s hard to predict with anything at this point. But thousands of dead parents and grandparents is going to shake some people out of their current way of thinking. The one consistent positive pattern with deplorable beliefs is that they can breakdown when the person is affected directly.
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Either that or you are a libertarianbro pretending to be a librul and make it look like librul’s are the real fascists.
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This is going to require a multi-trillion dollar bailout imo. Most will go to the 1% but by necessity some will go to the working class and the unemployed. Let’s say everything works out and a recovery takes hold. How are those people going to feel about giving up those “emergency” benefits?
It’s hard to take programs away once they exist
Going to be very interesting
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Yeah, and both Rs and eDems are currently getting away with “but how are we gonna pay for it” narratives to avoid helping regular people with their problems. When it is conceded that it is possible to provide a trillion dollars in an emergency, that should change the conversation to arguments about what is an emergency.
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