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Are you really calling HRC the left now with a straight face? Don’t respond to this by listing all the ways she pandered to the left. I’m talking about the reality. When you look up establishment politician in the dictionary there’s a picture of HRC next to it. Her and her husband made a hundred million+ after he left office, and every single ‘accomplishment’ he had could have been carried out by a Republican and you wouldn’t know the difference.
This is another Overton argument but in a linear axis from hardline Marxism to deregulated libertarianism HRC is clearly not on the left.
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The problem with that trump windmill video is that 43% of the country are living in a different and incomprehensible universe.
They’ll watch that video and see a master orator at the top of his game, effortlessly riffing off the top of his head, displaying encyclopedic knowledge of windmills, but also air pollution, environmental conservation, etc. And doing it all with irresistible folksy humor.
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The known bastion of liberalism, National Review, calling for impeachment. Those radical lefties.
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So what. We could run Mussolini and he’d get smeared as a commie. The bad faith character assassination is a given for any candidate, and so must be ignored as a factor in any decision making.
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At the risk of semantikesing the hell out of this sub-thread, I think before we can declare the bolded definitively, we really need to know the declarer’s definition of “stolen.”
Like in order for one to believe that it was “stolen,” does he need proof that Putin’s hackers broke into computer systems in key districts and switched votes from Hillary to Trump? Or of ballot manipulation? Votes counted twice, thrown into the trash and not counted at all, or some other kind of voter fraud insert_definition_here? If so, then yeah, I’d have a hard time supporting such a notion because I’ve seen almost no evidence of it.
But what if my definition of “stolen” is about other things? Stuff like illegal foreign campaign cash being laundered through PACs and other shady orgs. Or concentrated propaganda efforts financed by foreign adversaries. Or stealing private campaign and/or embarrassing personal documents and posting them on the Internet (while doing the same against the other side, but sitting on it instead). Or accepting help from what you know to be illegal sources and not reporting in to the proper authorities. Or illegally (feloniously) using campaign funds to pay hush money to hide illicit affairs from voters, preventing them from making an informed decision. Or years-long efforts to make it extremely difficult to register to vote, and then making determined and indeed ongoing efforts to purge voter rolls, targeting mostly voters of the opposition party in the process, effectively disenfranchising your opposition. If stuff like THAT is your definition of “stolen,” well, you’ve got a pretty good argument in the affirmative. And if you don’t believe that stuff not only did happen in 2016 but also happened in 2018 and is still happening now, we can stop right now because we’ve basically got nothing to talk about.
(I did not address any of your “economic anxiety” references in the OP because that stuff has been so thoroughly debunked by now that I’d be taking it into “he’s already dead” land.)
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This is kind of proof that the establishment HATES Donald isn’t it? I mean he’s pretty much giving the game away, so who can blame them.
I’m on board with just about everything boredsocial has been saying recently, except for the optimism about future elections. The fact that Trump’s removal from office is supported by less than 60% of the under 40 crowd is more disheartening the more I think about it.
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There’s a reason why doing something about propaganda is important. That shit works. The advertising guys keep getting better and better and it’s really getting very close to being able to hack people’s brains.
Look I know everyone loves the First Amendment but we’ve built an entire economy around making absolutely sure people cannot kick their addictions. Think about how hard it is for a long time binge eater like me to drive down any random city street. I’m being bombarded from every side by advertisements for mistakes I shouldn’t make. It took a long time for me to start to become resistant to that, and I had no chance while my body wasn’t sending me much in the way of negative feedback. I pretty much refuse to leave my house hungry these days. I don’t go in the grocery store anymore, I get curbside so that I don’t get retailed… and thanks to building guard rails for myself I’ve lost weight–but it absolutely could have killed me, and it kills lots of other people.
Facebook is melting a bunch of old people’s brains, and us younger people think we’re better because it’s other apps doing it to us. All of you are reading this post in a left wing echo chamber lol.
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I’m more disheartened by the massive number of judges they’ve been able to push through than any other single thing. Make no mistake, the damage done here is fairly permanent. It’s going to be bad for at least the rest of our lifetimes. Hell, beyond that really once decision after horrible conservative decision become citable case law.
Even if we manage to get rid of Trump next year it will still be felt. It’s like the 40-year smoker who finally kicks cigs. Sure his health will improve; yes it was the right decision. But his skin is still all fucked up, he will look like a catcher’s mitt permanently, and he’ll probably get cancer anyway.
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I definitely have friends who are closet libertarians. They generally don’t send me stuff because nobody does that to me. Probably because I’m an asshole who will actually read it and reply like the condescending dick that I am.
National Review was an early conductor of the never-Trump train (Feb 2016):
Also found these other NR covers that have LOL not aged well:
It’s one guy* at NR let’s not slip a disc trying to kiss his ass here. Most of that rag is fully onboard the Trump train.
*two I suppose if you count Jonah Goldberg, who is still otherwise pretty terrible
Hot as hell and full of Trumpers! Central Valley!
Agree with everything you say about the effect this presidency will have on the next several decades.
But as far as “disheartening” goes, young people not being like 80/20 against this guy is up there for me.
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I liked your post anyway even though I quit smoking in my 40’s because I am still dashingly handsome and my skin is like fine alabaster.
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I’ve been listening to some of these folks in work and it’s amazing how there political views have been influenced by our ( Imo currupt media) Media sources…
What I’ve heard is they voted SNP in 2014 because they wanted change then some voted the Brexit party or went to Labour then they voted Ukip or Tory in the general.
Ive yet to hear a policy position except we want better… So I asked 1 pair of dudes what policy’s they wanted and all they could say was Brexit.
And I’m like but yes, and what policys do you want out of Brexit and its wait for it… Change.
I’m beginning to realise that in the UK our young folks who are brexiters that got involved in politics around the 2014 range have no REAL TRUTHFUL news sources, none.
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