The First Trump Impeachment: Wrap Up and AMA (Within Reason)

I mean, that’s not necessarily true, see eg, impeachment.

Fwiw I think this is all a possible future, but I’d bet on a peaceful transfer of power with a lot of whining.

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And this is why you should have been paying attention to how cataclysmic the impeachment trial acquittal was. Your thoughts there are really ‘lol o wow’ because they absolutely shredded the Constitution with that vote. They said the president can do whatever he wants. The Legislative Branch can’t do anything about it because they removed their own ability to do oversight (a feature, not a bug for the GOP senators), and the Courts can’t enforce anything because enforcement of laws is under the Executive Branch (!). They made him a dictator/King on Wednesday, and almost everyone was sitting here whining about the Iowa Caucus.

The Senate had the authority to not remove. That is crystal clear.

Operative word ‘HAD’.

I tend to agree, but think that might be different if Trump had found enriching himself more lucrative, like £100M pa or something as some dictators did.

Emperor Bokassa spent about 1/3 of his country’s GDP on his coronation. Trump isn’t trying nearly hard enough.

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They put in the Electoral College to stop a guy like Trump. The EC messed it up.

They put in impeachment to stop a guy like Trump. The GOP senators messed it up.

The last guard rail left is the American voting public, who gave us Trump, and whether he is an elected King is really the only thing on the ballot in November. We’re flying a 250 year old rickety wind sail 20,000 feet up and hoping we’ll land safely. Impeachment was meant to ‘protect’ a free and fair election, but unlike most who would just cheat and not talk about it, Trump said he was going to cheat while he was in the process of getting impeached. I don’t have much faith in the American people, but the loss was very small last time, and it was a bloodbath in the House for the GOP in 2018.

I don’t understand what you are arguing. I think we are in agreement, it just seems like you are making the point in a very weird way.

You’ll have your faith restored in American Sheriff’s departments by watching the new FOX show, Deputy.

Dude what the fuck are you talking about. We didn’t care about the actual vote because it was predetermined. Of course we care about the outcome and it’s implications.

People cared more about the Iowa caucus last week because we didn’t know the outcome ahead of time and the election has the actual possibility of getting rid of Trump. No matter how many 12,000 word manifestos you write this lawbro stuff isn’t getting rid of Trump in our current political climate. So rationally we care more about the election than that.

You need to wake up and realize the worldview you have about all of this is not rooted in reality. That’s why people have relentlessly dunked on you as you have wasted your life hanging on every word of the impeachment “trial” and every twist and turn in the Mueller investigation before that.

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The light bulb is super bright now. I like this quick progression.

They voted to not matter.

Jesus christ. You want a bunch of unaccountable, un-elected elites to subvert the popular will of a democratic election? Insanity.

And they put in the electoral college to keep states with a lot of slaves happy, right?

Correct. Although I think that a side benefit from the hallowed Founders’ perspective is that the elite could possibly subvert the outcome of an election if the elites decided that the chosen candidate didn’t align with their interests.

The idea that the wise and sainted Founders were more interested in practicing democracy rather than putting in mechanisms to subvert and twist it is rather adorable.

You mean like the popular will of the people who voted for the person who got the most votes? We already had the Supreme Court decide an election 5-4, and who are they accountable to?

I hope you’re using sarcasm here, but you’re probably not.

Some were and some weren’t and they argued pretty publicly about it and we got a pretty bad compromise because the big slave owners were rich as fuck.

Sure, I’m sure there were some 18th-century Tom Steyers mixed in with all the 18th century Bezoses and Kochs.

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The fundamental problem is that Trump is on the border of popular when he should be hated by at least 95% of people. No easy solution for that one.

An authoritarian with 43% approval of the general population, 60% approval of the rich, and 80% approval of the motherfuckers with guns is a shitty place to be.

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