It’s predictable. Did you never keep secrets from your parents or would a younger version of you do the same thing?
I’m talking more about how these apps are designed to keep you on it. Keep you checking back in. Fully formed brains get fucked up from it. There is a reason why we think limiting screen time is a good thing.
I don’t have a problem with someone becoming famous but that is such a small percentage of people. They may have a “viral” video but that does not make them famous.
It’s like when people talk new jobs being created they say “No one thought 10 years ago that a video game streamer would be a job”
It’s not really, the percentage of people that can monetize streaming video games is a very small percentage when compared to the number of people that play games.
I think it’s worth noting given the entire thread about this forum’s blind spot for sexism, that this conversation has had at least a vague feeling of some sexist attitudes. While a 15 year old may not be an adult, it would also be wrong for a forum full of older men to pretend like she has no agency over her opinions and whether she chooses her statements to be public.
She is clearly far more intelligent and engaged politically than many adults. I think those of you uncomfortable with her posts being shared here should ask yourselves if you would have raised the same complaints if Barron Trump had made public posts critical of his parents and right wing politics.
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I read most of it last night when I was high so I may of missed it. Who said she has no agency over her opinions?
Greta Thunberg might be a good comparison. Similar age. Do you get the sense that this forum thinks she has zero agency over her opinions?
The consequences now are so much worse though. When I was a kid I couldn’t unknowingly join a chat room with a pedophile, get coaxed into sending nude videos/pics, or post something stupid on the internet that would stay with me for the rest of my life.
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There have been IRC chats and the like for over 20 years now. The kids these days get it, they really do.
Come on Clovis. How will boring people in conventional relationships get to live vicariously if you leave?
a/s/l?
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Some of y’all wouldn’t make it in pro football.
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You might be right about this but there does seem to be a whiff of hypersensitivity that goes in the other direction as well. An important and well regarded member of the forum, who happens to be a guy, posted what seemed to be an innocuous poll in the movie thread asking whose career you would want to have. Since the poll only contained men, it was less than an hour before a competing poll with only women was then posted.
Maybe the original poll should have acknowledged the lack of women and the desire to take the conversation in that direction at some point as well, but the quick response spoke to the mindset that seems to be in place too.
I feel like most of the drama stems from people here thinking they’re the smartest or the most moral and just ready to die on any hill. Whenever I have an opinion I wait to see what other people I respect and think are smart and what they say and adjust. I flipped flopped several times on the whole Claudia thing because I think both sides made good points, but if you’re really arrogant about your beliefs its easy to ignore that.
If your goal is really better understanding and doing the right thing people here need to be more open minded and be willing to consider they’re wrong. Instead people will get nasty/mean and refuse to be open minded and admit maybe they’re wrong.
Like if the whole community of smart people is disagreeing with you that doesn’t make you wrong, but it is worth honest self reflection. I change my mind on here all the time on things based on arguments and I don’t think a lot of people do that.
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Hopefully you have some unpopular opinions that you’d be willing to argue strongly in favor of. Otherwise, the brain trust is probably operating inefficiently and suffering from groupthink. When I’m doing research in the Hot Takes Laboratory, the first thing I look for are popular opinions that are accepted at face value but haven’t been rigorously challenged. That is my favorite approach to science as opposed to filling in the knowledge gaps. However, reversing commonly-held beliefs is far more challenging and frustrating than picking off the low-hanging fruit. Amos Tversky has a great quote about his famous 1983 paper on the hot hand fallacy:
I’ve been in a thousand arguments over this topic, won them all, but convinced no one.
He didn’t succumb to popular thinking or rage quit academics though–he published more papers on the topic. In the end, he might even be wrong, but he was the only person providing actual arguments and evidence for a long time. Having thick skin comes with the territory.
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Over 30, actually. And Usenet has been around for 40 years. Email almost 50.
So I think this thread is a bit weird. And I find myself not really caring all that much about which side is right but much more interested in the context of the argument.
We’re living through a communications revolution and that’s having huge impacts on society. Here we’re debating something truly new, which is whether it’s OK for 15 year olds to be online getting significant traction on social media. I think that’s a discussion worth having, and I see how reasonable people could disagree about it.
Clovis I love you and I think you’re a good poster, and I think you came into this discussion with a really disgusted tone with anyone who might see it differently. You see a child with a probably really chaotic home life acting out… other posters are primed to look for left wing social media gods who gen z seems to have tons and tons of. I think a combination of the two is right, she’s undeniably a teenager in a chaotic situation acting out, and she’s undeniably good at social media. Her life is going to be changed by this episode in a permanent way. For good or bad it’s hard to say IMO.
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I don’t even twitter, so I don’t really know how it works.
Can any user nuke his own account or is it something that twitter has to do? Also, is it possible for someone else to tell the difference in how the nuking was done?
You can delete your own account or twitter can do it. No one can tell who did the nuking
Thanks.
So, I assume the default assumption would be that George and/or Kellyanne did it or made her do it.
yeah I think so although it is possible that either of the Conway’s could’ve made the request to Twitter and had enough pull to get someone to do it.
A couple of weeks ago there was a random user that was getting all these random funny accounts on twitter banned and people did some digging into it because anytime he said an account was going to be gone it disappeared. Well people found out who he was and one of his close friends was a person that was high up in the twitter security division and she was probably nuking accounts for him
I first got online in 1981. Not a whole lot has changed other than me.
As to this topic when I was 15 me and my friends were very political active. I would have been heavily offended if someone tried to squelch my ability to talk online. I was actually online at the time and it was much more underground but many of the arguments were similar. Looking back now I see zero justification why I would have been right from keeping my fifteen year old self from talking online.
I will caveat all that though and say I have been extremely private about sharing my life online. This was standard procedure for my first twenty years. Social media really pushed the idea of living online and in the open. I understand the dangers of that and warn against that. Still not reason to silence kids online.
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